Greta- something new-DKS posted on FB

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Old news that the media have somehow picked up on (she launched the appeal a while ago). There is already a thread in the UCCan Talk forum. Do we really need another one at this point? I'm sick of hearing the name "Gretta Vosper" and I follow her on FB.


I didnt know there was another thread, yes merge them
 
I think the UCCan has a great opportunity here to prove that it supports leadership that is human, and caring and compassionate. Growing up in UCCan, I was raised that there are a multiplicity of beliefs, that each faith journey is separate. Now would be the time to show that we believe that by supporting a diversity in the believe of our leaders, no?
 
Trouble is there are a lot of liberal UCCC people that are really conservative ... but they don't know that ... due to the chaos caused by the inside outside perspective ... as defined by the Pauling Exclusion Prin. ... thus the Wahl's ...
 
You will learn Luce NDs' language if you hang about.

Or not. Sometimes it's inpenetrable to me. Jae's got it down pat; Kimmio usually seems to get it.
 
I mean, didn't Toronto Conference initiate this in the months prior? And they're blaming Gretta for the timing of the appeal? How can someone type that with a straight face?

Yes - interesting to see that there is assumption (Dave Pollard's post) that gretta herself initiated the current media blitz. I don't know that there is evidence of that. Sometimes media works that way, but often it's others that put them onto a story ... just saying.
 
Yes - interesting to see that there is assumption (Dave Pollard's post) that gretta herself initiated the current media blitz. I don't know that there is evidence of that. Sometimes media works that way, but often it's others that put them onto a story ... just saying.
Perhaps Gretta or her supporters did call the media. Or maybe they didn't. She is, after all, the most well known UCCan minister (and has way more name recognition in Canada than whoever your Moderator is), with the possible exceptions of those who transitioned into politics. The media follow her, and the media loves controversy.

But it was Toronto conference that started this process. Gretta did not start it, and can in no way be held accountable for the timing. And even if she didn't initiate the media attention, the media would have found this story.

This is entirely the fault of the UCCan, who have such a terrible knack for public relations, it's breathtaking. That I understand, you are faced with layoffs and a complete overhaul of your structure, plus ongoing church closings or "amalgamations", which is a fancy word for "closings", in the largest denomination in Canada, and more media attention is on Gretta than any of that. And that's on the UCCan and how they kicked the can down the road until this year, and then just this spring, months before the long scheduled GC, they choose precisely the worst moment to initiate this review.

Is the sudden rush a product of trying to fit this review in before more power is given to the congregations as a result of the GC? That's a possibility, isn't it? Under a new governance model, would it be more difficult to get rid of her, so that's why they had to try to rush it through this year? Out of fear they couldn't later?

This is not just a review of Gretta. It is a giant middle finger extended toward the people of West Hill United, a shot across the bow for any minister who believes similarly and would consider saying so out loud, and an awkward attempt to strike a blow for belief in the incredibly improbable. Now, beliefs are going to be examined in the public sphere, and tell me when that last went well for the church.
 
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Perhaps it'll cause more splinter groups in our denomination ... an assist in fractal religion getting a wild spectre of god about as an ethereal or thin characteristic of human compassion? Such could be referred to as numb-in-us as a broken reflection on the (w)hole thing ... a' GAP-eh? Related to synapse ... a break in neural matter? hol-eh in the head disease as a man suffering extreme compassion ...

That's enough to get one out of here ... intelligent networking is like walking a spy-deire web in a church that believes knowledge is evil ... wouldn't yah know! Some alien tongues is said to be hepful to understanding sublime attributes of physical things ... mental metaphysics appearing as dark ghost or just demons to haunt the higher ups?
 
or it is an interesting way to take the eyes of the doom & gloom. There could be another reason for the alert to the media.
 
Always alternates ... the rationale for multiple perspectives to cause chaos in the lesser troopers ...

This resolves in the cognition of two anarchies ... one up ... the other down and subtle to the higher casts ... they just don't get it!
 
You know, I hadn't considered that. I am a proud proud uccan member and at least somewhat educated on the goings on of the ucc.its always settled me the wrong way how outsiders seem to view us. Is it a pr issue?
 
I pr issue ... primal, or public relational? Primal people are emotional critters ... sometimes appearing as spirited!
 
You got it, it is a good way to also rally the troops, allow people to get the message out to the masses, and hey, gave an opportunity for Mark toulouse's reasonable voice to be heard on Cbc.
 
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