GENESIS: Snoopy's Short & Snappy Review

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Actually, the term "serpent" was/is used for dragons sometimes, though maybe that is because of the association of the serpent in the Garden with the dragon of Revelation. I forget if there's non-Christian sources for that association. After all, some dragons are basically portrayed as snakes with wings.
 
There are many myths about dragons in different cultures. Tradition has it St George of England slew a dragon.

St Patrick drove the snakes out of Ireland. Sometimes the Genesis 3 creature is called a snake.
 
we can skirt around it all we want ----but in Christianity

Serpents in the Bible​

Christianity​

In Christianity, a connection between the Serpent and Satan is created, and Genesis 3:14–15 where God curses the serpent, is seen in that light: "And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life / And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel" (KJV).
 
The Brothers of Joseph did not come up with putting Joseph in a pit and selling him for slavery and douching his tunic in blood to deceive their father all by them selves --a thought came into their mind to do these terrible acts and be deceptive ---- these thoughts were bad thoughts ---so they didn't come from God ----they came from the same serpent who tricked and deceived Eve in the Garden ---who'd name is Satan ---
 
Satan seems to be a big aspect of your theology @unsafe

Some of us interpret these things differently which I think is fine. You may feel we are being deceived by Satan, I don't know.
 
I don't see that Godde has cursed the serpent/snake in reality. They're a vital part of a healthy ecosystem keeping rodent populations in check. I adore snakes.
 
I like snakes too. We have some garter snakes where we live. Last summer, one about two feet long was about halfway up in our raspberries when the septic tank was being cleaned. The guy did not like snakes. The others I have seen were much smaller. Last summer we had more green frogs around than previous summers.
 
Good morning. Here is Genesis 38

Snoopy's Snappy Review:
This family saga reads like a soap opera :D

Judah leaves his brothers and marries the daughter of Shua. They have three sons: Er, Onan and Shelah.

Er marries Tamar. God deems him to be evil and kills him.

Judah tells Onan to have sex with Tamar and produce a descendant for Er. Onan does not like this plan so he sleeps with Tamar but spills his seed upon the ground. God kills him, too.

Judah sends Tamar to live with her father as a widow until Shelah grows up. Time passes and the daughter of Shua dies. Tamar has still not been given to Shelah as a wife.

Tamar removes her widow's clothes and covers her face with a veil. Thinking her to be a prostitute, Judah sleeps with her. She is promised a young goat in return and given Judah's seal, cord and staff as surety.

It is reported to Judah that Tamar has turned to prostitution and become pregnant. He orders her brought out and burned. But he realizes he, himself, slept with her when he sees his seal, cord and staff. He says she is more upright than he is because he wouldn't give her to Shelah.

Tamar gives birth to twin boys. The one emerging first is overtaken by the other.
 
It seems that if Tamar and Onan had a baby together, the child would be considered a descendant of Er (the older brother who died).

What will be the status of these newly born twins? Will Tamar become the responsibility of Judah? The text tells us they are no longer intimate.
 
I forgot about this part of the story. Judah is not a very good person. Interesting that It becomes the name of the Southern Kingdom.
 
Agreed that Judah is not a great guy. He devised the plan to sell Joseph into slavery (Genesis 37:27). He does not keep his promise to have Tamar and Shelah marry.

His order to have Tamar burned for being a prostitute doesn't endear him to me either. Talk about a double standard!

To be fair, this could reflect the norms of the day. Likewise the plan to have Onan provide a descendant for Er.

Some commentators suggest Judah blamed Tamar for the death of his first two sons. This seems unfair, no?
 
You know, reading 9 and 10, I fail to see how this is condemnation of masturbation as is often alleged by the puritan prude crowd (Onan being killed for wasting his emission, as the version puts it). It is clearly very specific to his circumstances and not necessarily blanket condemnation of ejaculating outside a vagina. It is wasting because he is deliberately trying to avoid impregnating his brother's wife, a circumstance specific to him. At least that's how I read it here. I would argue that, at most, it might be read as a condemnation of coitus interruptus but, really, I still think it was Onan's intent moreso than his act that was the problem.

9 But Onan knew that the child[o] would not be considered his.[p] So whenever[q] he slept with[r] his brother’s wife, he wasted his emission on the ground[s] so as not to give his brother a descendant. 10 What he did was evil in the Lord’s sight, so the Lord[t] killed him too.
 
It could be that the transgression God killed him for wasn't even sexual. Onan's disobedience towards his father (defying his order to conceive with Tamar) might have been a bigger deal to God.
 
Well I have been reading that the Onan story has been used to condemn both masturbation and contraception.

Kind of "two in one" for the Catholic Church and others.
 
Interesting read on Genesis 38

10 Lessons from the Dramatic Story of Judah and Tamar​

Jessica Brodie
Award-winning Christian Novelist and Journalist


Sometimes the juiciest, most drama-ridden stories can be found in the most unexpected of places: the Holy Bible. One case in point is the story of Judah and Tamar, a bizarre tale about a father-in-law who mistakenly impregnates his daughter-in-law—who’d concealed her identity from him on purpose.

Yet before we rush to judgment and incorrect assumptions, rest assured that God uses this story to illuminate some important lessons about deception, righteousness, and undeserved mercy.

Who Are Judah and Tamar?

The story of Judah and Tamar is complicated, messy, and filled with trickery. Judah was one of the 12 sons of Jacob, and one of Joseph’s brothers who sold him into slavery. Indeed, he was the brother who suggested they sell Joseph instead of killing him (Genesis 37:26-27).

After this, Judah left his brothers and ended up marrying a Canaanite woman, who bore him three sons. And this is where we meet Tamar, in Genesis 38. Judah’s oldest son, Er, married Tamar, and she became Judah’s daughter-in-law. However, the Bible tells us, Er was wicked, so God had him killed.

Judah followed Jewish custom and gave Tamar to his second son, Onan. But Onan, too, was wicked, so God killed him, as well.

By custom, Judah should then have married Tamar to his youngest son, Shelah, but he didn’t want to lose a third son. So he sent Tamar back to her father’s house, promising to wed her to Shelah when he was old enough—but Judah did not do as he’d promised.

After many years passed and Judah’s wife died, he was traveling and came to the town where she lived. However, she decided to take matters into her own hands. Recognizing him, she quickly disguised herself as a shrine prostitute, covered her face with a veil, and positioned herself along his path. Judah didn’t recognize her as his daughter-in-law, and when he encountered her, he asked to sleep with her in exchange for one of his goats, giving her his seal, cord, and staff as a pledge. After this, she disappeared, keeping his items.

Three months later, when she was found to be pregnant, Judah was outraged to learn his daughter-in-law had engaged in prostitution, and he ordered her to be burned to death. But as she was being led out to her execution, she delivered some shocking news: She’s pregnant by the man who gave her a seal, cord, and staff—that is, by him.

Immediately Judah recognized his items, halted the execution, and confessed that she was more righteous than he, for he didn’t fulfill his promise to give her to his thirdborn son.

Tamar went on to birth twin boys, Perez and Zerah. King David and Jesus are descended from the bloodline of Perez, bringing special significance to this story—for in spite of the treachery and deceit, mercy and righteousness ultimately prevail.

We can learn much from this tale. Here, then, are 10 lessons God teaches us from the story of Judah and Tamar:

1. Transformation Was Necessary

We know from reading the rest of God’s story that Judah went on to become the father of the southern kingdom. What Tamar did led to a fully necessary change in character for Judah. Confronted with the truth, and confronted with his sin, he chose to repent. Acknowledging Tamar’s righteousness and his wrongdoing was the first step in Judah’s transformation.

2. Confession and Repentance Are What God Wants

God knows we all are sinful creatures, but He wants us to rise above our nature and choose the better way: Him. When we do the wrong thing, we are to confess—to God and to others—what we did, then turn from that path and walk with Him. As Jesus many years later told the adulterous woman saved from a brutal stoning execution, “Neither do I condemn you. … Go now and leave your life of sin” (John 8:11).

This was Judah’s version of the adulterous woman’s reckoning. While the Bible doesn’t tell us what happened to her, we know that Judah went on to play a major role in reconciling with Joseph.

God blessed Judah when he did the right thing. He wants us all to do the same.

3. The Story Is Tied in with the Joseph Narrative

This isn’t just a digression from the “main” story – that of what happened to Joseph, who was sold into slavery, rose to become so respected under the king of Egypt that he was appointed second in command, and ultimately saved the lives of God’s chosen people. Judah’s story is woven in with Joseph’s. Joseph, too, experienced transformation. He learned much during his time in Egypt. Judah’s transformation parallels Joseph’s own.

4. God Cares about Widows

But the story isn’t just about Judah and Joseph. God was outraged at what happened to Tamar and how she was treated. God cares about widows and others considered to be the “least” in the world, such as orphans. When God later set forth laws for the people to live under, caring for widows was one of His provisions. We see in Tamar’s story that she didn’t do anything to cause her first husband’s death. God put Er to death because he was wicked. God wanted Er’s brother Onan to then be her husband and continue the bloodline, but Onan, too, was wicked and circumvented God’s plan. When she took matters into her own hands, she’s not condemned for this, but rather plays a significant role in Judah’s transformation.

5. God Cares about Women

In the same vein, the story of Judah and Tamar shows us God cares about women. What happened to Tamar was an injustice. She was mistreated, and the death of her first two husbands, Er and Onan, was not her fault. Instead of showing her respect and caring for her properly, Judah chose to keep his third son to himself and send her away. In doing so, he essentially denied Tamar a life and a future. God allowed her to achieve triumph over this situation, not only because it helped transform Judah’s moral character, but because God cares about women and doesn’t want women to be treated poorly.

6. Out of Trickery Comes Mercy

Judah did wrong by Tamar. Yet, when confronted with his sin, he repented. Out of his trickery, God’s great mercy is glorified. God works through all things, even messy, complicated sexual relationships, to redeem us.

7. Sacrificial Parallels

While Judah did the wrong thing initially, when confronted with his sin, he is willing to sacrifice his reputation for his daughter-in-law’s. This foreshadows the later sacrifice Judah makes when he agrees to accompany his younger brother, Benjamin, and father, Jacob, into Egypt (Genesis 44), as well as the sacrifice Jesus makes for all of us when He, the unblemished lamb, pays the sin-debt for humanity on the cross (Matthew 27).

8. Redemption Is Possible for Everyone

None of us is ever “too far gone” for redemption. Judah found his way back to God after going astray, and so did his father, Jacob, and his future great-great-great grandson, King David. What is important is that when we are finally awakened to the reality of our evil through sin, we make a choice to stop living in our old way.

9. God Makes All Things Good

In Romans 8:28, we’re reminded, “In all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.” God had plans for Judah and Tamar. But first, Judah needed to learn important lessons and make an important choice. He made the right choice, and in this, God used the situation for good.

10. Taking a Risk Can Pay Off

Tamar is ultimately responsible for the continuation of the family line, but her dreams are shattered when first one husband and then the next are killed, and then her father-in-law doesn’t come through on his promise to wed her to his youngest son. She risked everything—her reputation and her very life—to ensure the family line continued. Her risk could have backfired, but it did not, and because of her actions, she is part of the lineage of the Messiah himself
 
Hi Everybody. Here is Genesis 39

Snoopy's Snappy Review:
A woman rejected by a man accuses him of attempted rape. An age old cliche! :mad:


Joseph does well in Egypt with God's help. He is owned by Potiphar who is the captain of Pharaoh's guard. Joseph advances to become Potiphar's personal attendant and overseer of his household. His master gives no thought to anything except the food he eats.

Joseph is well built and good looking. Potiphar's wife takes notice and invites him into her bed. But he turns her down, not wanting to sin.

One day she grabs his outer garment which remains in her hand when he flees from her. She places it beside her and tells her husband that Joseph left it behind after attempting to humiliate her. She claims to have raised her voice and screamed which made him run away.

Joseph is thrown into prison. He is put in charge of the other prisoners and God is with him.
 
Joseph is emerging as a biblical hero!

Despite being sold into slavery and imprisoned, he holds responsible positions. He is successful and God is with him. And he is physically attractive to boot. To say nothing of being a morally upstanding character.

He is quite the contrast to some of those brothers of his. He was his father's favorite son and he has turned out well.
 
The whole Joseph story is interesting. The Egyptians seem to value gifts and abilities above ethnicity.
 
Too bad that stories of women falsely crying rape go back that far. How can one doubt that patriarchy is entrenched in Western culture (Eastern, too, to be honest, but the roots are different)? No wonder we still have judges and juries who treat women's testimony with suspicion in rape cases. How to root out is probably a whole other thread, though.
 
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