Fishers of Men

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Snoopy has returned to reading Mark's gospel. Snoopy will not be posting about it chapter by chapter (been there, done that). This little story jumped out today.

Fishers of Men: Mark 1: 14-20.

The fishers of men story is so familiar from Sunday school! Contemporary translations of the bible, including the NET, are more likely to say fishers of people.

But here we have it. Jesus calls Simon and Andrew, James and John. All these guys are willing to follow Jesus and do it immediately.

James and John leave their father Zebedee in the boat with the hired men.

How would Zebedee have felt, I wonder? A few possibilities come to mind.
 
How would Zebedee have felt, I wonder? A few possibilities come to mind.
I'd be a bit cranky myself. A stranger comes along, says to follow him, and the kids DO?!? Hey, what about the family? The fishing business? I've got this vision of them walking off with Jesus while their old man screams at them from the boat. There's nothing to indicate otherwise, e.g. that he "recognized" Jesus or something so was cool with it.
 
Yes, Mark is completely silent on Zebedee's reaction. Zebedee might have been outraged as you suggest @Mendalla

Or he might have been pleased that his sons were picked to follow this Jewish sage. He had hired men on the boat so perhaps the fishing business was in good shape.
 
So James is the brother of John and the son of Zebedee and there is another James that is Jesus brother right. James and John are Jesus's cousins so Zebedee is Jesus uncle because John and James mother is Salome who is Mays sister? Two different James that follow Jesus I guess.
I suppose Zebedee might be okay with his kids going with Jesus?
 
I was even wondering if Zebedee might have been getting tired of his sons sticking around, LoL

Always a bittersweet moment when our children move on in their independent lives.
 
I was even wondering if Zebedee might have been getting tired of his sons sticking around, LoL
I was thinking of the stereotype of the independent businessman who gets all huffy when the kids don't want to stay in the family business. :D
 
This story is a lot like a parable, isn't it? I have always considered it to be a Jesus story. But it's also a Zebedee story and a tale about the two brothers. The hired men, too.
 
How would Zebedee have felt,
I think Zebedee may have had mixed feelings about this sons leaving him ----they were mending the fishing nets and when called they left immediately and followed Jesus leaving their Father and servants in the boat with nets that needed mending ---and his help was gone -----I am sure he would have felt a sense of loss which would have disrupted his business but then he might have had a sense that something very important was happening as he saw them immediately leave their nets and follow Jesus ----

We see Jesus saying the time is fulfilled and the Kingdom of God is at hand ----so repent and believe in the gospel ----

Jesus said to them Follow me

This word Follow is just not a mere follow in the Greek it had a deeper meaning

Lexicon
parakoloutheó: To follow closely, to accompany, to attend to,fully know, have understanding,
conform to

metaphorically,

a. to be always present, to attend one wherever he goes: τίνι, Mark 16:17

b. to follow up a thing in mind so as to attain to the knowledge of it, i. e. to understand (cf. our follow a matter up, trace its course, etc.); to examine thoroughly, investigate:

I think Jesus chose some fishermen for His Disciples as they would have the right Character for it

From google

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What are the characteristics of a fisherman in the Bible?


Qualities to Admire in Fishers of Men | Paul Chappell


Qualities to Admire in Fishers of Men
  • They are courageous and daring. First century fishermen regularly put their lives on the line. ...
  • They have patience and determination. ...
  • They know how to employ teamwork. ...
  • They exercise faith. ...
  • Courage and daring. ...
  • Patience and determination. ...
  • Teamwork. ...
  • Faith.
 
Jesus used a metaphor which appealed to the four fishermen. He said he would make them "fishers of men".

Is the purpose of the story to tell us Jesus meets people exactly where they are? Or do you think there is a deeper meaning to the metaphor?

When Jesus encounters his first four disciples, two of them are casting nets into the sea and two of them are repairing their nets. Is this detail significant, do you think?
 
A version of this story appears in all four Gospels. Mark and Matthew tell it the same way. Details vary in the other two gospels. John's account varies the most.
 
Is the purpose of the story to tell us Jesus meets people exactly where they are? Or do you think there is a deeper meaning to the metaphor?

My view
To the first part of your post ---I say Yes I do believe when Jesus walked this earth He did meet people where they were ----He spoke with and sat with people regardless of their background ---situation and or struggles they were experiencing --He meet people living their daily lives offering compassion ---agape -- comfort and guidance ---

To the second part of your post ---using the metaphor --Fishers of men --I feel the phrase can and does has a deeper meaning ----When fishing you cast your net out and Hope to capture the fish and haul them in to sell so you have a stable life ------

Being Fishers of men for Jesus the Disciples are to Speak (Cast )Out the Good News to others to hopefully Change the hearts and minds of others so they can obtain and maintain a stable life here and gain eternal life when they pass from this world ----
 
Thanks @unsafe I really like this.

But here is one problem with the metaphor of Jesus casting out the nets:

When fish are trapped by a net, they have no agency in the matter. They will soon be harvested as a food source.

When people are drawn to Jesus they are able to exercise their free will to accept Him or not.
 
When fish are trapped by a net, they have no agency in the matter. They will soon be harvested as a food source.

When people are drawn to Jesus they are able to exercise their free will to accept Him or not.
You are so right ------it is a personal choice which the fish don't have ---

You bring up a really good point here ------thanks for your response --
 
So Glad I am not a follower of the Tulip crowd ----- :LOL:
I am not either, but that's not actually the part of TULIP I fall out with. "Limited Atonement" is where I part ways, being a universalist and all (though core to any unmerited grace is the idea that only God decides who is saved, so maybe atonement is limited). I'm also not really into "Total Depravity" but that may be more a matter of semantics. "Total depravity" to me sound like wild orgies and bloodthirsty fighting in the streets not merely "we are sinful, imperfect beings unworthy of grace". But "Unmerited Grace", "Irresistible Grace", and "Persistence of Saints" are all fine with me. So maybe I'm a closet Calvinist, just with some footnotes. ;)

(No, not really. I am not much into the whole sin and salvation thing at all, when push comes to shove. If Grace is unmerited and universal, it's quite out of our hands anyway so we can focus on other things, like being the best people we imperfect beings can be.)
 
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Limited Atonement" is where I part ways, being a universalist and all (though core to any unmerited grace is the idea that only God decides who is saved, so maybe atonement is limited).

My view
No -----there is no Limited atonement by God -------God wants all people Saved according to scripture ---God does not decide who will be saved and who goes to hell -----we do ---

Now We Sinners can't choose God ----God chooses us ---So Calvinism has that right -what does this mean --God knows our hearts and who will be receptive to His word so God Has to change our Hardened hearts to a soft acceptable heart for us so we will accept His word in our heart and so Saving Faith can be inbirthed in us ----so we can become Born again ----

God Provided His Son to be the sacrificial atonement for all people -----then we decide if we want to participate in what Jesus did for us all ----our sins ==past --present and future are dealt with ---Jesus took on all sin for all people ---Sin now is not the issue -----the issue Now is accepting Jesus by Faith who took our sin for us----we can accept or reject this -----God does not force anyone to accept anything He has done ----

If Grace is unmerited and universal

My view on this
Grace in the Old Testament was a concept of a thing that God bestowed on His people ---the Israelite's constantly disobeyed God and He bestowed His Grace upon them by not actually killing them all for their wicked behaviour -----He granted them undeserved Favor --Grace

In the New Testament ---Grace is A Person not a concept of a thing or Doctrine that is bestowed on us -----Jesus the person is full of Grace ----Jesus is our Grace as He embodies God's undeserved Favor and Agape for Us all with what He accomplished on the Cross for us ---and we have free will to choose to receive and accept what He did or Reject it ------

Common Grace is universal --- in the way that God shows goodness to all His Creation no matter what their decision is or how they are living -----He allows the wicked to Prosper as well as His Children ---He makes it rain on the just and unjust ----The sun shines on all people ----when you open your eyes in the morning that is His unmerited favor to us -----we don't deserve any good treatment from God what so ever ---we deserve His wrath and death ---

Saving Grace is also universal as God Desires all people to come to His accept His Saving Grace through Faith in Jesus Christ ---So Saving Grace is applied through means and not just from God's power like it was in the Old Testament -----and we can resist this Grace it is nor irresistible like Calvin says -----


I'm also not really into "Total Depravity"
I personally do not think we are totally depraved humans as Calvinism says which says to me we have to sin --we have no restraint to stop ourselves ----

I say ------To act on Sin is a choice---to act on committing adultery is a choice we make ---it is not beyond our scope to refuse to commit this sin -----Stealing is a choice we make to steal ---we don't have to steal the item -----we choose to do it ----Worshiping another god is a choice --we don't have to worship another god ------

We have the Nature to Sin but we can stop ourselves from committing the act if we so choose

----God told Cain Sin is crouching at your door and you have to master it ---so we can have restraint to curb acting out the sin ----

We are not totally Depraved to do good and kind things in this world ------
All people are able to do acts of kindness and do good in society -----what can't be done is Giving God the Glory for those good deeds as sinners are away from God -----according to scripture ---and all good deeds are suppose to be done to give God the Glory not us ----

Calvinism is just another Man Made Religion making up their own Doctrine --in my view ---I stay clear of all man made religions ---don't want nothing to do with them at all -----
 
I stay clear of all man made religions
All religion, all religious beliefs, are man-made. There is no such thing as a religion that is not man-made. They've been a part of human culture possibly going back to Neanderthals. Perhaps further, but the archaeology only takes us that far back.
 
God told Cain Sin is crouching at your door and you have to master it

I once again remind you of the lesson given by John Steinbeck in East of Eden:

There are three ways to translate this verse-ette:

i) Thou WILL master it - a prediction
ii) Thou MUST master it - an instruction
iii) Thou MAY master it - free will
 
I stay clear of all man made religions

Probably a good idea, although I suggest that an octopus-made religion might be even less suitable, probably requiring 8 smart arms to carry out.

I don't follow a religion, really, but rather the simple-ish rule to love neighbour as myself. Which, given that I love myself rather unevenly, is a bit of human construct, as well.
 
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