Failing that (and hopefully not failing that), make it dependent on ability to pay for it, with special acceptions granted instead of creating expensive drug categories and drugs paid for out of pocket to treat illness. Exceptional drugs to save lives should be free, not death. If MAiD isn’t about saving money then health Canada should put their money where their mouth is. Put the money back into healthcare and social welfare in that case.
Expansion of MAID delayed until after next election
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…but our government(s) are busy gearing up for war. Even economic war hits us first and hardest. Disabled people are at risk of becoming the first casualties unless things change fast. I’m very concerned about the involuntary detention and “care” for mental health and addiction developments (Eby leading the charge for that too) and impending 2027 implementation of mental illness under Track 2, coinciding.
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Thank you for responding with these thoughts. It's really early so I'm not going to respond other than to say thank you just now.
I do need though, to respond to this. If you're referring to track 2, this may make sense. If you're referring to cancer patients, not so much.
You made reference to cost of meds. BC covers most cancer drugs from what I understand. Mine, thankfully have been covered, and they're not cheap. I was able to get one covered by the drug company when it wasn't covered by BC Cancer, and because I don't have drug coverage. My oncologist and drug access navigators did the legwork and such for me to get on that. I was told about the funding and had to sign stuff. Of course, there was a glitch or two, mostly due to stupid people. Thankfully I have the skills to deal with those. I did worry about the people who don't have those skills. These are skills I gained from my work experience and profession. Had I had a different career, I'm not sure I could have done it.
Generally people do run out of treatment options. At that point, options may be offered that don't really work and the side effects are not worth it. They have every good reason to say they're done at that point. Prognosis isn't so easy. My sister came to my first oncology appointment. She remembers the doctor saying something about three years. That was in Match 2019. Thankfully, I've benefitted from treatment and from new drugs. Others don't do so well. Others do better. This disease can go sideways. Quickly.
Most people in my circle anyway, seem to already know about MAID and ponder the idea.
I do need though, to respond to this. If you're referring to track 2, this may make sense. If you're referring to cancer patients, not so much.
You made reference to cost of meds. BC covers most cancer drugs from what I understand. Mine, thankfully have been covered, and they're not cheap. I was able to get one covered by the drug company when it wasn't covered by BC Cancer, and because I don't have drug coverage. My oncologist and drug access navigators did the legwork and such for me to get on that. I was told about the funding and had to sign stuff. Of course, there was a glitch or two, mostly due to stupid people. Thankfully I have the skills to deal with those. I did worry about the people who don't have those skills. These are skills I gained from my work experience and profession. Had I had a different career, I'm not sure I could have done it.
Generally people do run out of treatment options. At that point, options may be offered that don't really work and the side effects are not worth it. They have every good reason to say they're done at that point. Prognosis isn't so easy. My sister came to my first oncology appointment. She remembers the doctor saying something about three years. That was in Match 2019. Thankfully, I've benefitted from treatment and from new drugs. Others don't do so well. Others do better. This disease can go sideways. Quickly.
Most people in my circle anyway, seem to already know about MAID and ponder the idea.
There’s this. Apparently most people in the Netherlands don’t repeat their requests for MAiD under their policy.
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Canadian and Dutch doctors’ roles in assistance in dying - PMC
According to the Canadian law legalizing physicians to provide medical assistance in dying (MAID) under certain circumstances, the patients alone determine if their suffering cannot be relieved under conditions “that they consider acceptable.” This ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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People who simply can't afford to live?
This Is about MAiD. One group specifically was singled out re: Track 2 eligibility. Disabled people.
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With inflation to increase commissions ... a lot of lessor powers cannot afford to live ... some don't even know they are in that group because of what they support ... mostly eliminated psyche! It goes with some encouragement from up there saying: "you don't need to know anything!"
Its biblical ...
Its biblical ...
It’s true, as they become more ill and vulnerable.
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Disabled people qualify for MAID exclusively?
Does the reasoning have to be the disability itself?
For Track 2 is for people not dying but present with a medical reason. It has to be a medical condition, illness or disability (same thing according to medical model) that is in an advanced state of decline that is intolerable (according to some just being a disabled person is intolerable and that’s a reflection and function of ableism/ discrimination and that’s the human rights concern) and there are no treatment options the person finds acceptable. Which is actually wide open to interpretation (according to social model). Disability was used in the original law about terminal illness, which made it possible to advance the Track 2 portion. People with chronic or incurable medical conditions who are not suffering from those conditions but from socioeconomic conditions (which naturally compounds the problems) have qualified based on their medical conditions.
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Soon people whose only disabilities are mental health related will qualify - implementation keeps being pushed back but it was passed into law and is set to begin in 2027 - but some have already died by MAiD anyway who shouldn’t have.
Our premier has also just brought in a new law allowing for involuntary detention and treatment of mentally ill people which worries me, as MAiD is considered a medical treatment and these people have all their rights stripped away. The dangers are obvious, or should be. This is the same man who was at the helm of a landmark case in B.C. that brought in MAiD in the first place, when he was head lawyer for BCCLA. He is an architect of all these laws. He knows what he’s doing. I don’t trust him. It’s disturbing. Even his former colleagues at the BCCLA called him out for this new law. @WhyCzar
Our premier has also just brought in a new law allowing for involuntary detention and treatment of mentally ill people which worries me, as MAiD is considered a medical treatment and these people have all their rights stripped away. The dangers are obvious, or should be. This is the same man who was at the helm of a landmark case in B.C. that brought in MAiD in the first place, when he was head lawyer for BCCLA. He is an architect of all these laws. He knows what he’s doing. I don’t trust him. It’s disturbing. Even his former colleagues at the BCCLA called him out for this new law. @WhyCzar
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Disability is not a reason to sanction medically assisted dying – UN experts
GENEVA (25 January 2021) – UN human rights experts today expressed alarm at a growing trend to enact legislation enabling access to medically assisted dying based largely on having a disability or disabling conditions, including in old age. “We all accept that it could never be a well-reasoned...
“We all accept that it could never be a well-reasoned decision for a person belonging to any other protected group – be it a racial minority, gender or sexual minorities - to end their lives because they experience suffering on account of their status,” the experts said.
“Disability should never be a ground or justification to end someone’s life directly or indirectly.”
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Thank you.
I keep coming across the term legislated poverty.
Does that fit in to the equation?
Canada’s own Human Rights Commission said this:
Canada amended its Criminal Code in 2021 to expand access to Medical Assistance in Dying (MAiD). MAiD is now available to people with “grievous and irremediable medical conditions” whose natural death is not “reasonably foreseeable”. Advocates and experts in Canada and internationally continue to raise significant human rights concerns posed by the proposed and ongoing expansion of MAiD.
The CHRC remains deeply concerned by ongoing reports that people with disabilities are turning to MAiD because they cannot access the basic supports and services they need to live with dignity. Many people with disabilities continue to be forced to live in institutions due to a lack of community-based supports and accessible housing. Many cannot access health care, medication, equipment and supports they need due to financial and other barriers. This situation has worsened with the lingering effects of the COVID-19 pandemic and an ongoing nationwide housing crisis. Faced with systemic inequalities, some people with disabilities are accessing MAID because they feel they do not have any other options.
Accessing MAiD should not be the result of this inequality, nor should it be the end result of the State's failure to fulfill its human rights obligations under the CRPD, the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights, the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, or human rights legislation.
(From the Canadian Human Rights Commission)
They also said this:
The CHRC has heard from advocates that engagement with Indigenous peoples – First Nations, Inuit and Métis – has been insufficient to date. The CHRC has also heard that the views of some experts and those with lived experience who have expressed concern with the expansion of MAiD have been marginalized. Canada must ensure that Indigenous peoples, and those that are most vulnerable are listened to and their experiences are valued.
Full submission to the Committee on Rights of Persons with Disabilities | Canadian Human Rights Commission
The Canadian Human Rights Commission is Canadas national human rights institution. The Commission helps ensure that everyone in Canada is treated fairly, no matter who they are.
www.chrc-ccdp.gc.ca
Canada amended its Criminal Code in 2021 to expand access to Medical Assistance in Dying (MAiD). MAiD is now available to people with “grievous and irremediable medical conditions” whose natural death is not “reasonably foreseeable”. Advocates and experts in Canada and internationally continue to raise significant human rights concerns posed by the proposed and ongoing expansion of MAiD.
The CHRC remains deeply concerned by ongoing reports that people with disabilities are turning to MAiD because they cannot access the basic supports and services they need to live with dignity. Many people with disabilities continue to be forced to live in institutions due to a lack of community-based supports and accessible housing. Many cannot access health care, medication, equipment and supports they need due to financial and other barriers. This situation has worsened with the lingering effects of the COVID-19 pandemic and an ongoing nationwide housing crisis. Faced with systemic inequalities, some people with disabilities are accessing MAID because they feel they do not have any other options.
Accessing MAiD should not be the result of this inequality, nor should it be the end result of the State's failure to fulfill its human rights obligations under the CRPD, the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights, the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, or human rights legislation.
(From the Canadian Human Rights Commission)
They also said this:
The CHRC has heard from advocates that engagement with Indigenous peoples – First Nations, Inuit and Métis – has been insufficient to date. The CHRC has also heard that the views of some experts and those with lived experience who have expressed concern with the expansion of MAiD have been marginalized. Canada must ensure that Indigenous peoples, and those that are most vulnerable are listened to and their experiences are valued.
That refers to the income caps and clawbacks of benefits that keep disabled people below the poverty line. So, yes.
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On this plane of reality, poor people, disabled people, refugees, ethnic minorities, lgbtq people - those traumatized and debilitated by the outsized powers - always get blamed at some point as being a waste of resources (including time, attention, and care that wasn’t). It’s a cycle that repeats. In a lot of cases it just kept going and there was never reprieve from cruelty.
There is one group currently being left out of that understanding almost completely by those who claim to care about minority concerns. And no respect given to what they’ve learned. A non entity in the greater discussion about injustice. When resource budgets get trimmed by those with power , the non entity falls on the floor.
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Certainly limits anyone making small points about details in the Peter Prin. that might appear on some roosters ... cocky? In Nordic expressions this may be ich leib 'd ich which can have some interesting interpretations over time! In some terms and courts it can be a knock out ... emotions can screw up clear visions also!
Can a soul find balance in the interpretation thereof? The soul, mind, psyche will blow any adequate impression in that case ... because solidly physical type disbelieve in this type of spirit as unreal ... rather negative AH? They say there is nothing imaginative to such projections ... emotional-intelligence?
That's quite a text ... some texts are minimalisms! Authorities question and sanction them ... thus inner sanctum ...
Here dark beauties and ugly ones ... if not experiencing onus (respect)! Onus is a lost skill as folk do anything for the quick gain ...
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Is the quick gain regarding apple a classic myth? John Appleseed escaped one myth to get started in the occident ... in some terms the back of the tete ... there's a monster there ... base of the rest of the cere*bel*lum ... "lum" being sort of a chimney! Are you familiar with classic meanings of cere and bel?
Imagine a red chat rising up one of those ... diabolical! How courts are often screwed up ...
Imagine a red chat rising up one of those ... diabolical! How courts are often screwed up ...
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