I found APA to be so difficult to manage and it took so much effort back in the early 90s. In my first degree it didn't really much matter how we did things for most classes as long as we cited things and listed where we got them from (I used a hybrid approach). My thesis though was supervised by an Education teacher and she was strict on APA and would measure margins and things and it took me longer to get the style right than to write the darn thesis! I could never understand why this was so important at the undergrad level. In my Master's I think it was pretty loosey goosey too (Public Administration). I've never heard of Turabian but I've been out of school since 96. What is your PhD in?
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I found APA to be so difficult to manage and it took so much effort back in the early 90s. In my first degree it didn't really much matter how we did things for most classes as long as we cited things and listed where we got them from (I used a hybrid approach). My thesis though was supervised by an Education teacher and she was strict on APA and would measure margins and things and it took me longer to get the style right than to write the darn thesis! I could never understand why this was so important at the undergrad level. In my Master's I think it was pretty loosey goosey too (Public Administration). I've never heard of Turabian but I've been out of school since 96. What is your PhD in?
Used APA during my first years of university when I was headed for a BA and was taking many courses in psychology and sociology. Transitioned to Chicago in Tyndale. Our professors tell us they don't mind what we use - so long as we're consistent.
Ritafee
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Um, I don't know if you have ever been through this, but when you see a doctor about depression usually they will ask if you are suicidal. They should. Now, this just might change the suggestions they offer for 'help' is what I fear. I mean if it's just a medical procedure and they don't really know you well. Thinking of all the impersonal contact that people who rely on walk in clinics have. It's just a clinical matter, right? It will come to be thought of that way in the public too if we're not careful. Think that's a crazy fear if you want to. It's obviously been raised before me by rights groups.
Ritafee
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cite? anyone?
If the powers beat on the wee ones enough ... will they recess from this world and leave voids?
Who then will work with the real crap? Confidence level in the lower tiers turns to fear and the Shadows expand!
You have to say this ridiculously ... for us people are not supposed to know serious!
Steven Hawking perceived Dark Holes ... but it could be an allegory for where the real wee people left ... nothing there but damned dots and domains so small they became internalized! Freud advised against that ... but that's psychology and the powers know there is no mind in a world of fear and terrorism ... professionals wouldn't do that with their gifts ... or would they?
Who then will work with the real crap? Confidence level in the lower tiers turns to fear and the Shadows expand!
You have to say this ridiculously ... for us people are not supposed to know serious!
Steven Hawking perceived Dark Holes ... but it could be an allegory for where the real wee people left ... nothing there but damned dots and domains so small they became internalized! Freud advised against that ... but that's psychology and the powers know there is no mind in a world of fear and terrorism ... professionals wouldn't do that with their gifts ... or would they?
unsafe
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Science and Faith can work together in medicine-----
Read entire article here -----
http://www.doesgodexist.org/JulAug09/ScienceandFaith-Medicine.htmlPlato
Plato said, "The greatest mistake in the treatment of diseases is that there are physicians for the body and physicians for the soul, although the two cannot be separated ." While Plato said this many years ago, his ideas are still pertinent in today’s society. Many people believe that medicine and faith should remain separate and that there is no connection between the two. However, new research shows that faith plays a major role in the health of patients. As a result of these studies, there is a growing interest in exploring the role of physicians in patients’ spirituality. Some medical schools are even including classes on spirituality to enhance the physicians’ knowledge and awareness of their patients’ faith in the clinical setting
The above statement is great to see for me ----I feel Dr. Should be schooled in Spiritual Matters ----and give choice to the patient
While faith and medicine have not been officially practiced together for almost one hundred years, there has recently been an indication that faith plays a vital role in the lives of patients who are experiencing life-changing events such as pregnancy, terminal illnesses, chronic diseases, unexplained illnesses, heart disease, recovery from injuries or addictions, and stress.1, 3 In a study conducted on patients suffering from advanced lung cancer, the caregivers of these patients, and their oncologists, the patients and their caregivers suggested that their faith in God played an important role in determining the type of medical treatment that they would seek.4 Their physicians felt, however that the patients’ faith should be at the bottom of the list of factors influencing their treatment decisions, perhaps because "their training is based so heavily on scientific reason that they are unable to recommend a concept that defies a reasonable explanation."4 This study concluded that patients and their caregivers place a great deal of importance in their faith as they consider treatment options, and that physicians underestimate the importance that faith plays in their patients’ lives.
Read entire article here -----
http://www.doesgodexist.org/JulAug09/ScienceandFaith-Medicine.htmlPlato
Plato said, "The greatest mistake in the treatment of diseases is that there are physicians for the body and physicians for the soul, although the two cannot be separated ." While Plato said this many years ago, his ideas are still pertinent in today’s society. Many people believe that medicine and faith should remain separate and that there is no connection between the two. However, new research shows that faith plays a major role in the health of patients. As a result of these studies, there is a growing interest in exploring the role of physicians in patients’ spirituality. Some medical schools are even including classes on spirituality to enhance the physicians’ knowledge and awareness of their patients’ faith in the clinical setting
The above statement is great to see for me ----I feel Dr. Should be schooled in Spiritual Matters ----and give choice to the patient
While faith and medicine have not been officially practiced together for almost one hundred years, there has recently been an indication that faith plays a vital role in the lives of patients who are experiencing life-changing events such as pregnancy, terminal illnesses, chronic diseases, unexplained illnesses, heart disease, recovery from injuries or addictions, and stress.1, 3 In a study conducted on patients suffering from advanced lung cancer, the caregivers of these patients, and their oncologists, the patients and their caregivers suggested that their faith in God played an important role in determining the type of medical treatment that they would seek.4 Their physicians felt, however that the patients’ faith should be at the bottom of the list of factors influencing their treatment decisions, perhaps because "their training is based so heavily on scientific reason that they are unable to recommend a concept that defies a reasonable explanation."4 This study concluded that patients and their caregivers place a great deal of importance in their faith as they consider treatment options, and that physicians underestimate the importance that faith plays in their patients’ lives.
do understand 
BetteTheRed
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If you didn't watch the video by Dr. Low supporting physician-assisted suicide, I think you might find it really educational in this matter.
His death, from advanced stage brain stem cancer, was only going to go one way. He would die, soon. His choice? He would have chosen a barbiturate cocktail similar to what we give dogs. Say goodbye, fall asleep, don't wake up. His reality? Kidney failure, because if you're "palliatively sedated" with a DNR your kidneys shut down from lack of water. Took 8 days, and I keep on wondering if he had to listen to the freight train in his head for all of those 8 days. Pain relief isn't everything.
Unsafe, have some compassion, please. Does your god not condemn torture?
His death, from advanced stage brain stem cancer, was only going to go one way. He would die, soon. His choice? He would have chosen a barbiturate cocktail similar to what we give dogs. Say goodbye, fall asleep, don't wake up. His reality? Kidney failure, because if you're "palliatively sedated" with a DNR your kidneys shut down from lack of water. Took 8 days, and I keep on wondering if he had to listen to the freight train in his head for all of those 8 days. Pain relief isn't everything.
Unsafe, have some compassion, please. Does your god not condemn torture?
Neo
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You have more more than three degrees DaisyJane?
DaisyJane
I probably should be working.
The reason they ask people if they are suicidal is to PREVENT them from acting on thoughts of killing themselves.
DaisyJane
I probably should be working.
I am about three years in to my doctoral work. Many days I think the degree will be awarded posthumously!!
My doctoral work is in the area of pastoral theology. I am interested in exploring pastoral care strategies for those who live in "chaos". I am particularly interested in caring for "extreme caregivers".
DaisyJane
I probably should be working.
I have three degrees at this stage in my life. I am working on my fourth. Please remember that earning a doctorate, in my view, is the ultimate form of stupidity. It means you don't actually know when to quit!!!
My first two degrees were in the health sciences. I had actually started doctoral work in the health sciences but walked away from the program when Matthew became very ill. I had a mid-life crisis. Got REALLY pissed off with God. Walked away from church. You know the drill. My third degree was a MA in theology that was part of my reconciliation with church and God. So, really, just an expensive and more labour-intensive form of therapy.
DaisyJane
I probably should be working.
That is really cool DJ - I hope you are able to use what you find to help educate those of us who have no idea to help and are maybe too "scared" to offer or don't know how to offer the right way. For extreme caregivers of both young, not so young and the elderly. My family benefitted greatly from dementia support when my father was diagnosed and I would like to give back. I volunteer at a senior's resource centre right now and help out with my Uncle but when that responsibility is over I would like to branch out. Someone who has a BA in Pastoral Studies sits with my Uncle three times a week but I think it's just a social thing.
Yes it is. As it should be. That has been the focus when people are suffering intolerable mental pain is to PREVENT them from killing themselves. Now other than very rare and unfortunate neuralgiac conditions - what illness could cause that but something labelled a chronic incurable mental illness? Like clinical depression? That needs clarity.l
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(Where are you doing your doctorate?)
GeoFee
I am who I am becoming...
Hello...!
This is probably best considered an interjection or an aside. Hopefully it will not diminish the dynamic of this important conversation.
I am going to lift a quote out of its context so that I may use a short phrase to notice an important consideration.
Kimmio said:
How does our society relate to this question? With Machiavelli we say all the right things to win trust without which our enterprise could not succeed. But we do what must be done to achieve our ends.
What is the end of Coca Cola* incorporated? To make profit. This by the production of sugared water for consumption by ever increasing numbers of persons all around the globe.
What follows in the wake of profits obtained by this marketing strategy? Disease. Sugar after a certain point, specific to every individual, brings harm. Sugar introduced and misused in the formative stages of childhood stands prominent in the complex of causes generating our escalating medical crisis?
Follow the introduction of sugar as means to profit and you will find the twin legacies, diabetes and obesity. On the service of money side, this is very good news. The increase of disease provides opportunity for the increase of remedy and intervention. How well is the pharmaceutical industry doing? What projections would economists indicate?
As I noted above, in an ethical society I would have no reservation concerning the full, unlimited freedom of each and all. But we do not live in such a society.
Do we?
George
* Coca Cola is referenced as a single instance of a growing complex of corporate powers on the rise.
For me one of the most heinous means to profit is the manufacture and consumption of weapons for war.