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[chansen]

optimal hydrodynamic proportion for stability in rough seas.

For going forward. Ffs, life rafts are often circular. If you want optimal stability in rough seas with no propulsion, go 1:1. This is not a difficult concept.

Christians are so f***ing stupid in the defense of what amounts to dumb Christian stories. The ark didn't happen, there was no global flood (lots of local ones tho), the ark would not have been water tight at those dimensions no matter the building method, and the 6:1 ratio is useless without a sail, which isn't needed if you're not going anywhere.

Also, how did God kill ducks with rain? I mean, really. Could you imagine a duck looking around like, "Oh no! Water everywhere! Whatever shall I...wait I float."

 

[Mendalla]

Also, how did God kill ducks with rain?

Any aquatic or amphibious life for that matter. The Noah story makes no sense taken literally. There were some huge flood events in the Mediterranean basin but those happened long before the Bible was written and were regional at most, far from global.

I think the obsession with floods in various mythologies (it is not just the Jews, in fact they probably got it from Mesopotamia) is mostly because settled societies tended to begin along rivers and, hey, rivers flood. Some quite frequently and regularly. So when they wanted to tell a story of God causing a natural catastrophe, that's the first one that came to mind.

 

[Luce NDs]

There's a secret string through this type of story about gangi etc.

 

[chansen]

Any aquatic or amphibious life for that matter. The Noah story makes no sense taken literally. There were some huge flood events in the Mediterranean basin but those happened long before the Bible was written and were regional at most, far from global.

I think the obsession with floods in various mythologies (it is not just the Jews, in fact they probably got it from Mesopotamia) is mostly because settled societies tended to begin along rivers and, hey, rivers flood. Some quite frequently and regularly. So when they wanted to tell a story of God causing a natural catastrophe, that's the first one that came to mind.

I know, but ducks are funny.

 

[GordW]

Any aquatic or amphibious life for that matter. The Noah story makes no sense taken literally. There were some huge flood events in the Mediterranean basin but those happened long before the Bible was written and were regional at most, far from global.

I think the obsession with floods in various mythologies (it is not just the Jews, in fact they probably got it from Mesopotamia) is mostly because settled societies tended to begin along rivers and, hey, rivers flood. Some quite frequently and regularly. So when they wanted to tell a story of God causing a natural catastrophe, that's the first one that came to mind.

I remember reading in my seminary days that most scholars of Hebrew/Jewish Scriptures consider that any semblance of historical memory doesn't enter the story until Genesis 11, with the beginning of the Abraham cycle. Personally I wonder if it is more like the beginning of Exodus -- and even then there are few (if any, can't remember off the top of my head) other sources that corroborate the events recounted in the Exodus text. Maybe the earliest historical info doesn't really arrive until post-conquest or even the beginning of teh Monarchical period?

 

[Mendalla]

the beginning of teh Monarchical period

That's kind of my understanding from some reading and podcasts. The earliest archaeological evidence at all bearing out the Biblical account comes from the monarchy and there's a dearth from the early part when Israel was a unified kingdom under folks like David and Solomon. For instance the so-called "Stables of Solomon" at Megiddo are actually probably later, maybe Ahab. Once you get to that period, though, then you do start getting archaeological remains and, just as important, references to Israel in other cultures' texts, e.g. Egypt. So the kingdoms of Israel and Judah are historical as are events like their respective conquests by Assyria (Israel) and Babylon (Judah), but there evidence for earlier parts of this history is still scanty.

 

[unsafe]

True or Not True ----that is the Question ??????????????

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“Just because you don't believe in something doesn't mean it isn't true.”​

― Albert Einstein

I say ----Great Quote -----

 

[unsafe]

Watch Out Folks ------Cause this says ------

 

[chansen]

...but water stopped ducks.

 

[unsafe]

Jesus says to the doubters -----

 

[chansen]

I think it's great that Christianity values the same gullibility that scam artists look for in their victims.

 

[unsafe]

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Were fish and sea creatures also destroyed during the Flood (Genesis 6-8)? Was underwater life also destroyed by Noah’s flood, and if so, why?

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Were fish and sea creatures also destroyed during the Flood (Genesis 6–8)?​

In Genesis 7:21–23, sea life is not included in the list of creatures that perished in the flood: “Every living thing that moved on land perished—birds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; people and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds were wiped from the earth.” This does not mean that the flood had no effect on aquatic life. Great numbers of aquatic life died, but God saw to it that enough survived, apart from the ark, to perpetuate their various species.

I say -------If a Duck is considered a Bird then a pair of ducks would have been included in the ARK ---

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Yes, a duck is a bird. They belong to the biological family Anatidae and are part of the class Aves, which also includes their cousins like swans and geese

 

[chansen]

In Genesis 7:21–23, sea life is not included in the list of creatures that perished in the flood: “Every living thing that moved on land perished—birds...

Moronic.

 

[GordW]

True or Not True ----that is the Question ??????????????

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“Just because you don't believe in something doesn't mean it isn't true.”​

― Albert Einstein

I say ----Great Quote -----

THere is a First NAtions saying (at least so it is claimed) that says something like "I don't know if this actuallly happened (or it it happened this way) but I know it is true". AS anyone who has studied fables and myths and legends can tell you, fact and true are not the same thing

 

[chansen]

THere is a First NAtions saying (at least so it is claimed) that says something like "I don't know if this actuallly happened (or it it happened this way) but I know it is true". AS anyone who has studied fables and myths and legends can tell you, fact and true are not the same thing

And that's great. There are "truths" in many works of fiction and nobody bats an eyelid.

What you can't do, is say your book may not be fact, but we all need to pretend that it's fact and if we don't, then bad things will happen.

Which you don't do, I know. But others do. Which is why it's absolutely vital to mock these ideas back to the stone age.

 

[unsafe]

AS anyone who has studied fables and myths and legends can tell you, fact and true are not the same thing

I actually agree with this Statement GordW -----there is a big difference

Facts are for this Natural world and can change -with circumstances ---

Truth comes from God's word that never changes ------



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In a biblical context,

facts represent the temporary, changing circumstances of the natural world (such as sickness, financial struggles, or hardship).

Truth, however, is the eternal, unchanging reality of God’s Word and His promises, which supersedes and has the power to transform those facts. [1, 2]


The fundamental differences can be broken down as follows:

Facts

Temporal and Measurable: Facts are the realities we observe, feel, or experience in the natural world (e.g., a negative bank account, a doctor's medical report). [1, 2, 3]

Subject to Change: Facts describe the current moment, but they are subject to alteration, especially when they come into contact with God's power. [1, 2]

The "What Is": They deal only with the information of our present surroundings, regardless of how overwhelming they may feel. [1, 2]

Truth

Eternal and Unchanging: Truth is divine, settled in heaven, and constant regardless of time or geographical location. It is ultimately personified in Jesus Christ ("I am the way and the truth and the life" - John 14:6). [1, 2]

God's Perspective: Truth is what God’s Word declares about your situation (e.g., healing, provision, peace). It gives meaning and purpose to the facts. [1, 2, 3, 4]

The "What Can Be": Truth overrides the natural circumstances to align reality with God's ultimate will and promises. [1, 2]


Biblical Application

Romans 3:4: "Let God be true, and every human being a liar."

This verse highlights that when natural circumstances (human facts) contradict God’s promises (divine truth), God's truth is to be held as the supreme, unshakeable reality. [1, 2, 3]

2 Corinthians 4:18: "So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal."

This summarizes the contrast; facts are the "seen" (temporary), while truth represents the "unseen" (eternal). [1]

Understanding this difference

allows believers to interpret their physical circumstances through the lens of God's promises rather than letting circumstances dictate their hope. [1]

 

[Luce NDs]

In reality we are expected to believe true myths and what lies within them as a deeper understanding ... strong minds cannot believe the more subtle concepts that rise out of ... what? Nothing ... a phenomenon that's peculiar until your mind is flushed out with hard reality ... an abstract state that parallels something beyond physicality ... the icon of "i"... some sage declared it deeply internalized and essential in logos but grasp of it is ethereal as it sweeps you away ... some declare it a dissociative event ... forming a gap to be closed by falling into study and etude of a ultimate nature ... hagi?

In some sub continental territories this comes up as Siri l Lan Ka ... the very voice giving it different functions an conflict about civil authority being corrupt ... the only gentile poor being subtle and delicate. Water handlers are aware of this as they carry out their function with solar energy ... washing the land into what was believed to be eternal pool. Their perspective was confused as Einstein declared the abstract had no vectoring and unconsciously identified quantum space where real and imagination were attached like psyche-body reconning ... irresolvable from either side and creating resonance?

Everyone must work this phenomenon to find an out ... OBI? It is slick like oLE and power released ...

 

[chansen]

Again, just pointing out, unsafe is a fellow Christian of yours.

Unsafe is your problem, not mine.

 

[unsafe]

unsafe believes scripture which ----God Himself says His word is Truth -----anyone that has a problem with that has to deal with God ---NOT ME ----



so unsafe isn't the problem ----what scripture says is Unbelievers problem ----and they don't like it because it makes them squirm in their seat as they hate Truth being shown to them ----

So they play the blame Game and Blame the person that quotes it ----that is the reality of it ---

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----SO LAUGHABLE