Does supernatural evil even matter any more?

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Mendalla

Mendalla

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In a world where nations slaughter each other's citizens, oppress minorities (or threaten to), and deprive people of basic needs, is there really any need to posit a Devil or other supernatural sources of evil and sin? Isn't human evil doing all the damage? Is attributing sin and evil to "The Devil" not us passing the buck for dealing with evil in the world?

I would argue that there is no Devil and that belief in a Devil (or other supernatural forces) as the source of evil is no longer helpful, but turns our eyes from the real cause of evil in the world: us.

Thoughts?
 
And as far as bullying and jokers ... imagine Russia fining GOOGLE for imaginary sums for interfering with their media while Putin and his US friends say this is unfair to their interference affairs! After all elections by the common people are dangerous to the rich and powerful ... someone will even go far to say it while the pious denies it ...
 
But how do you get away from blaming the devil when it now just means " the other nation started it first". Does it matter if we don't call it the devil anymore, when we would still call it " the other?" and keep shifting the blame. Are we really going to search our own motives?
 
Waterfall said:
But how do you get away from blaming the devil when it now just means " the other nation started it first". Does it matter if we don't call it the devil anymore, when we would still call it " the other?" and keep shifting the blame. Are we really going to search our own motives?
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It is just gravity and the action/reaction thing coming back at us for what we put up there as a strong willed leader ... after all there are no softies ... like Jesus they took the escape route ... some called it martyrdom ... but it was a way out of this insane state.

I'm told I am stupid and know enough to be dangerous (to whom?) and yet I respect limits ... especially the mortal ... stay clear of the thicker versions! Them're hard cases ... the devil now is like a bit of plasma ... casts lights ... lamplighters?
 
Waterfall said:
Are we really going to search our own motives?
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We need to because blaming the Devil is often used to pass the buck. Not just "the Devil made me do it" type things but blaming the Devil for society's ills and expecting that everyone just "fighting the Devil", i.e. becoming faithful Christians of the right sort, will fix all the problems. The turnabout being blaming the decline of Christianity of the right sort for society's ills, which then results in pointing fingers and claiming that atheists, or Muslims, or metalheads, or whatever are serving the Devil.
 
Mendalla said:
We need to because blaming the Devil is often used to pass the buck. Not just "the Devil made me do it" type things but blaming the Devil for society's ills and expecting that everyone just "fighting the Devil", i.e. becoming faithful Christians of the right sort, will fix all the problems.
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Is that like an innate journey ... that should fix those flat out on top ...
 
WhyCzar said:
When a man points a finger at someone else, he should remember that four of his fingers are pointing at himself.

Many world views concur that it is better to suffer the wrong of others than to do wrong ourselves.

Socrates claimed that “no evil can happen to a good man, either in life or after death.”
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Then the query; "what is a good man?" That too becomes an abstract concept and kind've out of here! Such attractions are surely non material as like essence of mind. I was told that the mind was beyond us ... coming to get us and that's how we goes ... in a large blast of thought! People of polar positions prefer to conflict over it and mess up the middle grounds ...

Some poles will not accept a medium of any type and thus central issues are all about us and on the move because none will let it settle ... like the Bishop of Myra's stance on the point of God ... alien particles ... maybe a dialectic or 3 as in ... ellipses? These can be triangulated with manipulation ... psyche exercise ...

Expect illusions and forces that depend on the delusionary energy ... a bit of a Black Hole impression ... Steven Hawking wrote an entire calculation on it involving thermodynamics and the illusion of entropy ... a heat sink essentially! If a lot of power is drawn to a virtual unknown ... will it spew? What can it spew? Would you expect it to be alien? Thus jets ... black streamer's ... unidentified Logos ...

Entertain a soma today ... tell them something strange and watch the reaction ...

Sometimes these make contact according to Sagan ... touché ... either coming or going ... you get it or not!
 
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Hold to the basic Christian beliefs, Mendalla - both that there is a Devil, and that also evil is done by people on earth because we're all born with sinful human natures
 
Jae said:
Hold to the basic Christian beliefs, Mendalla - both that there is a Devil, and that also evil is done by people on earth because we're all born with sinful human natures
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If it is human and in the genes then we share this trait ... some people are in denial and say they are perfect and can thus do and say anything they will ... without visible consequence because of lack of conscience ... an essence connected to the transient portion. Why do the chosen feel this because of the holes created by Picts and Canon that deny details ... if you are a great soma ... there is not room for the dual essence; soul and spirit ... immaterial things on the move ... political conservative despise movers ... so they are stuck! Some bricked in an unforgiving Wahl ... although the great travelers book is friable, loaded with flex ...

Those severely and piously seized will not accept the existence of djinns and thus the soul departs due to the rejection ... mental deviation! May even support personality defects ... wholly negatives as dippy spots in the domain out there ... cosmological poke? Those numbed by reality just will not get anything abstract as that is outside what they accept as ultimately absolute ... life is a grand hammering ... and then we discovered the hatchet end ... chets as chez into the area under the great Hat? Out of sight ... why there are stove pipe hats ... I am not allowed to expose the reason ... it too is sacred!

Recall we do reside in an unreasonable domain ... that's the dirt on the object ... like a sect' d ante one must take a chance on getting through and learning nothing ... expect knock outs and cross overs ... transient essences? After a long rest ... disentanglement ... part of quantum theory! One should get something out of it but remember mortals are limited!

Some believe they are immortal ... the ultimate illusion ... it do fade! Like the willi ... giving up to Sopi ... MOG syndrome ... maybe synthesizing ... through syncopation ... and a sound evolves ... squeak? Maybe the grass groan 'n ...
 
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Mendalla said:
So what, then, is the Devil's role if we are already sufficiently sinful to f stuff up on our own? The Devil as a metaphor for own temptations seems to make more sense in that scenario than a literal one.
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That's a great question, Mendalla. My belief is that while we all have a great propensity to sin because of our fallen human nature, the role of the Devil is to actually tempt us that we might do sinful acts.
 
Why? Why did God give him, or at least accept him in, that role? Because in a true monotheist system, he can't be a evil counterpart/foil to God, as Ahriman is to Ahuramazda in dualist Zoroastrianism, so God must in some way condone Satan playing that role. If he didn't, the all-powerful Creator of All That Is should be able to just stomp on him.
 
Mendalla said:
Why? Why did God give him, or at least accept him in, that role? Because in a true monotheist system, he can't be a evil counterpart/foil to God, as Ahriman is to Ahuramazda in dualist Zoroastrianism, so God must in some way condone Satan playing that role. If he didn't, the all-powerful Creator of All That Is should be able to just stomp on him.
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Some folk need a fire under them to wake them from anything and then that class that just denies WOKE! No Luce Queues whatsoever ... then there are those of us eliminated by the stoic! Just the head part floating about in the Midnight Light ... prompting whatever's in the lead ...

I get an image of a messenger (Ares) in a stewing container ... that kitchen in The SHACK? Imagine the hot water needed for catharsis of a sin ... will some smears just have to be left behind? I see essences rising from semi baked dirt (mire)? Freudian vapor ...

If emotions work for the determined and hard, in reaction will it do the Job for the soul? Imagine the triune myth three parts with a stem ... ψ wow, Hooda ... that should serve for a lift! Exclaimed with psi they say ...
 
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This is fairly apropos, as pretty much anything actually attributed to malevolent forces, demons, "Satan", "Lucifer", "the devil", etc, nowhere near measures up to the atrocities of humans.

Even in the New Testament, all the primary atrocities are attributed to humans, without any scapegoating upon supernatural entities... It was King Herod that ordered the massacred of all male infants under the age of two, and it was not attributed to a temptation by the devil. Most of the mentions of the supernatural are connected to things that are relatively very minor.
 
Kindred Seer said:
This is fairly apropos, as pretty much anything actually attributed to malevolent forces, demons, "Satan", "Lucifer", "the devil", etc, nowhere near measures up to the atrocities of humans.

Even in the New Testament, all the primary atrocities are attributed to humans, without any scapegoating upon supernatural entities... It was King Herod that ordered the massacred of all male infants under the age of two, and it was not attributed to a temptation by the devil. Most of the mentions of the supernatural are connected to things that are relatively very minor.
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Yet some parts of this system claimed to be perfectly forgivable and thus can do anything they desire without consent!

Can you imagine who sold this Charter of Goods? Probably a non-thinker ... as he missed the boteh ... that Persian word is critical regarding its understanding ... even flaming!
 
Kindred Seer said:
Even in the New Testament, all the primary atrocities are attributed to humans, without any scapegoating upon supernatural entities... It was King Herod that ordered the massacred of all male infants under the age of two, and it was not attributed to a temptation by the devil. Most of the mentions of the supernatural are connected to things that are relatively very minor.
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And then you have Satan the trickster/tormentor figure in Job who is not so much pure evil as testing people's mettle. More Neutral than Evil in D&D alignment terms.
 
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Does supernatural evil even matter any more?​

I personally think it is very Relevant -----what does this word evil mean in the supernatural


here are a few definitions of evil ---

Dictionary meaning ----
profound immorality and wickedness, especially when regarded as a supernatural force.
"the world is stalked by relentless evil"


The Hebrew word for evil

Strong's Concordance
ra'a': afflict
A primitive root; properly, to spoil (literally, by breaking to pieces);

figuratively, to make (or be) good for nothing, i.e. Bad (physically, socially or morally) --

-- evil, naughtiness, sadness, sorrow, wickedness.

afflict, displease,, do harm, (do) hurt,do mischief, punish,

unpleasant, evil (giving pain, unhappiness, misery)


Greek word for evil ----

HELPS Word-studies
2556 kakós (an adjective, and the root of 2549 /kakía, "inner malice") – properly, inwardly foul, rotten (poisoned); (figuratively) inner malice flowing out of a morally-rotten character (= the "rot is already in the wood").

[2556 /kakós is often a pronominal adjective (i.e. used as a substantive) meaning, "wickedness, inner evil."]

I say ---------------Evil is very active in this world today in my view -----and anyone who thinks that it may not be relevant today in my opinion has their head in the sand -------just saying ---

I think knowing all about Evil is very important for people to learn so they know when evil is present in their midst ----Satan is the great deceiver and his Biggest want is for people to refuse to believe that evil doesn't matter anymore ----

And Possession is still real today and that is evil personified ---

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