Complementarianism: A Personal Reflection

[BetteTheRed]

Example. I have two sisters. We don't as personalities really get along that well. But if you want to execute a perfect move of sibling 1 2 or 3 from A to B, and you enlisted the aid of the other two, it will go well. Logistics, strength, tetris-ing s**t, priorities, we work like a well-oiled machine, as we've done so from childhood.

 

[Mendalla]

RIght, but that's based on actual skills and talents. Complementarianism ignores actual skills and talents and says that having XY chromosomes makes you better suited to certain roles than having XX chromosomes and, conveniently, those roles tend to be associated with leadership in hierarchical groups.

 

[Luce NDs]

The word incarnate has sometimes the meaning incomplete (I discovered somewhere in my mysterious past) as if something was need to complete it in some way ... and Lo' an B'hold mortals found them selves up against it or cons ... preserve my soma! This all requires some time for the stewing and density to be corrected ... ladies put a stick in there and see if there is anything meaty on the bottom --- conceptualism from King Lear's dark ephemeral ports ... them being fey and flighty ... love hate disruption as dissociated?

 

[Luce NDs]

RIght, but that's based on actual skills and talents. Complementarianism ignores actual skills and talents and says that having XY chromosomes makes you better suited to certain roles than having XX chromosomes and, conveniently, those roles tend to be associated with leadership in hierarchical groups.

It is the greatest mix-up ... for reasons unknown just currently (that's now and how it is; we don't know)! Is not knowing an experience you can forget? Mull that as ET! Outstanding or outlandish ... mores to the BPD ... a duality or deux! Thus one's ... sometimes expressed as onus ... a rejected item! L' one lye as extracted from the ashes ... very caustic wash ... will strip the meat right off the bones ... erosive passion ...

 

[Jaebius]

The idea of complementarism is new to me but it’s not a bad one. Except for the boundaries based on the sex of the person. Depending on the task or situation it might be based on skill, strength or attitude. When my sister and I baled hay, I drove the tractor and she stooked the hay on the stooker because she was stronger than me. Both were necessary to get the job done. Both were respected jobs.

It's great to hear your views on complementarianism and how you've experienced it in a practical way. Your story about bailing hay with your sister beautifully illustrates how tasks can be divided based on individual skills, rather than on rigid gender roles. It's a great reminder that every role's valuable. Thank you for sharing this insightful example

 

[Luce NDs]

It's great to hear your views on complementarianism and how you've experienced it in a practical way. Your story about bailing hay with your sister beautifully illustrates how tasks can be divided based on individual skills, rather than on rigid gender roles. It's a great reminder that every role's valuable. Thank you for sharing this insightful example

Well fielded ... that's a Wahl in Hebrew ... awol elsewhere is an escape ... dune gone! Gift of ply tongued observation of the darker fields ... unknown tongues?

There be chuckles and riffs, if not ruffles ...

 

[Pavlos Maros]

The idea of complementarism is new to me but it’s not a bad one.

It should be a bad one. In the church, it is the implementation of the subjugation of women.

When my sister and I baled hay, I drove the tractor and she stooked the hay on the stooker because she was stronger than me. Both were necessary to get the job done. Both were respected jobs.

As it should be. However, if you had been told to stook the hay and she drive the tractor. Because a man said so, then that would be wrong.
Complementarianism is the subjugation of women, in the guise of something good. Implemented by misogynists. It is outdated and wrong, especially in today's world.

 

[Jaebius]

It should be a bad one. In the church, it is the implementation of the subjugation of women.

As it should be. However, if you had been told to stook the hay and she drive the tractor. Because a man said so, then that would be wrong.
Complementarianism is the subjugation of women, in the guise of something good. Implemented by misogynists. It is outdated and wrong, especially in today's world.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

@Nancy's story about baling hay highlights a valuable point: each person’s strengths must be utilized, regardless of gender. It’s unfortunate when roles are assigned based on outdated notions.

Complementarianism's, indeed, a way to enforce traditional gender roles that don't reflect the equality that we strive for today. Let's have these conversations.

Your view's valid. The Church must reflect equality's values. Thank you for voicing your concerns

 

[Luce NDs]

Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

@Nancy's story about baling hay highlights a valuable point: each person’s strengths must be utilized, regardless of gender. It’s unfortunate when roles are assigned based on outdated notions.

Complementarianism's, indeed, a way to enforce traditional gender roles that don't reflect the equality that we strive for today. Let's have these conversations.

Your view's valid. The Church must reflect equality's values. Thank you for voicing your concerns

HEH makkon ... there's AL a' Din ... makkon was once a thing that started with a stone ... a fete? The often meant something completely different ... impressionable as type as set! What do we know about it if we don't read broadly ... wide lysin ...

 

[Pavlos Maros]

Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

@Nancy's story about baling hay highlights a valuable point: each person’s strengths must be utilized, regardless of gender. It’s unfortunate when roles are assigned based on outdated notions.

Complementarianism's, indeed, a way to enforce traditional gender roles that don't reflect the equality that we strive for today. Let's have these conversations.

Your view's valid. The Church must reflect equality's values. Thank you for voicing your concerns

Jae, I know you are not intending to be rude. However, your constant thanks reeks of insincerity, it could simply be a language thing. You do not need to keep thanking us.

 

[jimkenney12]

Complementarianism is just a fancy word for misogyny, or racism in other settings. When employers determined women could be good carpenters, drivers, plumbers, and so on, many men who relied on their gender became more vulnerable in the job market and we are seeing increasing misogyny, especially in white male dominated governments responding to the misogyny in male circles

 

[Mendalla]

Complementarianism is just a fancy word for misogyny, or racism in other settings. When employers determined women could be good carpenters, drivers, plumbers, and so on, many men who relied on their gender became more vulnerable in the job market and we are seeing increasing misogyny, especially in white male dominated governments responding to the misogyny in male circles

I think complementarianism is far older than that, though. In religion, it goes back to whenever it was decided women could not be ministers, etc. Given that Paul had women in positions of leadership in his time, seems to have come later but certainly was in place by the Middle Ages.

 

[chansen]

Complementarianism is just a fancy word for misogyny, or racism in other settings. When employers determined women could be good carpenters, drivers, plumbers, and so on, many men who relied on their gender became more vulnerable in the job market and we are seeing increasing misogyny, especially in white male dominated governments responding to the misogyny in male circles

It's derived from that book you guys seem fond of.

There are common strengths and weaknesses between the genders. The mistake is making a rule based on stereotypes.

Plus, general "leadership" isn't even one of those thing you can say falls under common strengths of one gender. Boys love to tear stuff apart and build stuff, but so do some girls. Girls are, on average, more nurturing, but some boys are as well. Leadership? The skills can be taught, but they are almost innate in some boys and some girls. God is written as male. Jesus was supposedly a dude. The apostles were men. There is an instruction to not permit a woman to teach. It's right there in black and white.

Christians have a wee problem on their hands.

 

[Mendalla]

There is an instruction to not permit a woman to teach. It's right there in black and white.

But there is also clear evidence from the Pauline letters (vs. pseudo-Paul) of him having women in leadership positions, even teaching and prophesying. So even in the early church there was a disconnect on this issue. It's one of the reasons not all of the letters are regarded as being genuinely by Paul. So do they follow that instruction or do they follow the actual examples of women in leadership positions in the first century or so of Christianity? The New Testament is not as cut and dried on this issue as you make it sound.

 

[Luce NDs]

There are hidden themes that are ah palling lye caustic if not gnostic! Bad conspiracies of the transpired sort ... enigmas at least! Sort of like the mine (d)hole!

A gap AH? If they approach there be pyritic activity ...

 

[chansen]

The New Testament is not as cut and dried on this issue as you make it sound.

Like always, it's self-contradictory. You can pick what you want it to say.

 

[jimkenney12]

The misogyny existed before the book was written. It was patriarchy inherited from Judaism and the Greeks that changed the early church egalitarianism into complementarianism. It is another example of existing culture deforming a new religious movement.

The Islamic restrictions on women are older than Islam.

Any religious movement that challenges the cultural status quo will face push back from the culture.

This is why I resent people blaming religions for all the troubles in the world when the beliefs and attitudes behind those troubles existed before the religion and seek justifications within those religions for their crap.

 

[Mendalla]

Like always, it's self-contradictory. You can pick what you want it to say.

Precisely. Which is why it needs to be read thoughtfully with discernment, not just literally or metaphorically.

 

[Mendalla]

The misogyny existed before the book was written. It was patriarchy inherited from Judaism and the Greeks that changed the early church egalitarianism into complementarianism. It is another example of existing culture deforming a new religious movement.

The Islamic restrictions on women are older than Islam.

Any religious movement that challenges the cultural status quo will face push back from the culture.

This is why I resent people blaming religions for all the troubles in the world when the beliefs and attitudes behind those troubles existed before the religion and seek justifications within those religions for their crap.

In fact, the city-state period Greeks were the worst and are where much of Christian sexism originated. Women were largely seen as either wives to bear children or hookers for pleasure and not much in between. The women who were successful in that world were rare and often got there by exploiting that sexism (e.g. the hetaira Aspasia, who became influential because she was the mistress of the Athenian demagogue Pericles).

 

[Luce NDs]

Yet no matter how negative ... the bandit goes on ... on the take ... not given much ...