Christian to Atheist, one woman's experiences

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If a Christian excludes some of the construct of God (everything integral) does the physically real become myth and thus untouchable to the real Christian ... as they believe in nothing but their isolated self? Paradoxical, or enigmatic to force an essence into a difficult place to believe? That'd be a whirl 'doff word ... God' sit ... vegetating! Thus the wee green man ... a giant in his owned terms ... rooted ... am ath ested ... inter-nested ... stacked!
 
The more one reed's into the high stories ... a drive to high tail it like that desert dog ... life is frightening compared to the fading Eyres ...

Thus Jane looks us over with a hard AI ... JAINest? Beyond Mei ... like the phat lady singing all over the place ... Molly? Tons of Oli ... will we survive the crush?

Extrusion from physical power? Noodles ... preparation may be lengthy ... mined worms? Taylors ...

All that is left after the physical powers are the stories, etc. sometimes labelled mythological ... as 4 got! Another power of soul destruction of comprehension and thought ... see it go? Happens in emotional situations ... everything is toasted ... even the dark anils of the past ... an nihilation?

I've heard that "nil" is something we should recall ... remember? Imagine some of those things coming back later at inopportune times ...
 
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It does whenever it asks the state to enforce its rules. As happened way too many times in the past. It does when it empowers the state to carry out its ambitions, as when it promulgated the Doctrine of Discovery to essentially let it use the colonial apparatus of the Europeans states to suppress non-Christian faiths and spread itself. I would argue that true separation of church and state is essential for both. It frees the state from carrying out the ambitions of the clerics and it frees the clerics from carrying out the ambitions of the state. And unfortunately, it's a principle that seems to be eroding as we move along in this decade.

But that's a whole thread unto itself, I suspect, rather than being on topic for this one.
 
WhyCzar said:
Has Christianity surrendered "power" to the state?
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The spiritual power is more abstract and rather mythical ... and you know what the determinates think of that sort of dark unseen!

Besides that you cannot hear or feel them and thus that delinquent sensation ... silence, etc. Nothing but buzz ... lo' waves ...

I suspect there is something not quite right ...
 
The title of this thread Christian to Atheist.

Am I allowed to point out that not only Christians change their stripes or do I have to start another thread?

I'll just go ahead and enter this story and let the chips fall where they may.

As Submitted to AAI (Atheist Alliance International) blog on January 5, 2023 from one of it's followers.

I was born to Shiite Muslim parents, and my father taught me religious beliefs as the most important value in life. Once I was able to learn to read and write, I became very interested in reading. The books I read were about Islam and interpretations of the Qur’an. I have learned a lot about the Qur’an and its rulings, and I used to measure all the affairs of life in accordance with Qur’anic rules. But in front of all these issues, a fundamental question occupied my mind: if God is the creator of the world and Islam is truly the religion of God and the Qur’an is the only truth in life, then why don’t all humans believe it? However, I didn’t dare ask anyone for fear of being killed.

I could never find an answer to this question, but as time passed, the importance of this question became more important to me. I couldn’t express my doubt to anyone because of fear that there is never freedom of thought or belief in Islamic countries, especially in Afghanistan; but I was secretly researching this issue. By studying more, I got closer to the answer to my questions. I carefully studied what prominent writers, such as Richard Dawkins and others, have written. Now I am an atheist and I do not believe in any supernatural power. I accept the creation of the universe based on what modern science confirms, not what religions claim.

Because my thoughts and ideas were different from the people around me, I was insulted and humiliated many times due to my disregard for religious orders like daily prayers. I could not make my thoughts the same as others. My advice for the young generation and my friends is to leave their old and superstitious beliefs behind so that they can walk the path of awareness and freedom.

To imagine that all the values of the world and people’s lives rotate around a particular religion, and the God of every religion is the decision maker of everything may be true from the point of view of all religions, especially Islam, Christianity, and Judaism, but it is fundamentally wrong in accordance with logic and science. Religions, with this illusory initiative that God is the supernatural power that is the creator and controller of everything, and obliges humans to believe in it, have abused the information emptiness of humans and created countless imaginary values for humans.

The best example is the belief in the existence of the afterlife and the punishment of sinners by God. As we have read in history, millions of people have lost their lives because of not believing in religions and gods. This is still going on, especially in Afghanistan, where the Taliban terrorist group kills innocent people every day via their religious orders, depriving people of the option to live freely, and the right to an education for women and girls was taken away, again. The Taliban use a tool called Islam to justify their horrible and inhuman actions.

Sometimes I imagine that if people did not believe in any religion or god, there would no be tools for the Taliban or other Islamic terrorist groups to kill and deprive women of the right to work. Therefore, it is better to fight with all our strength against these superstitious and illogical beliefs that have destroyed the foundation of humanity, awareness, and freedom, in order to reach a free, equal, and just world.
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The writer’s name was withheld to protect family still in Afghanistan.

An Ex-Muslim: How and Why I Became an Atheist – Atheist Alliance International

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In the intro video Christopher Hitchens debating William Laine Craig were factors that influenced her "unchristian" journey.

"I never tire of debating religious people, because you never know what they´re gonna say next"-Christopher Hitchens.(y)

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unsafe said:
The word Christ---ian for unbelievers using it is Invalid -----as they are not Christ--ians ----they are under the rule of the god of this world Satan ----not Christ ----

If your condoning Unbelievers using the word Christ-ian then your undermining the Gospels Clarity ------

1 Peter 4:16​

Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in that name.

Unbelievers are not Christ--ians -----and therefore can't glorify God just by using that name ---

Lexical Summary
Christianos: Christian

(properly, only of the redeemed) a kinsman (relative by blood) of the Anointed-One (the Messiah, also called Christ)

Modern Application

In contemporary pluralistic cultures, “Christian” can be diluted or misunderstood.

Recovering its New Testament depth guards against nominalism and cultural syncretism.

Believers today are called, like the Antioch disciples, to live distinctly so that the label “Christian” regains its original clarity—those who belong to and resemble the Anointed One, Jesus Christ.

Prophetic and Theological Significance

Bearing the name “Christian” fulfills Old Testament trajectories that nations would be joined to the Lord through the Messiah (Isaiah 55:5; Amos 9:11-12). It encapsulates covenant transfer: those in Christ share His anointing (1 John 2:20), participate in His sufferings (Philippians 1:29), and look forward to His glory (Romans 8:17). Thus Χριστιανός expresses both union with Christ and differentiation from the world system.


I say -----Unbelievers are away from God and that is very Scriptural and Jesus Himself said this to the Pharisees ------He didn't call them Christ--ians ---

He said
John 8:44 -----You belong to your father, the devil

He called them out --------He didn't appease them nor was He Gentle in His Speaking to them -----He said what was True -----

and you as a Christ--ian should be doing the same ---Speak the Truth ---Who are you trying to Please ---People or God

Galatians 1:10 ---Paul says it plainly
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Am I now trying to win the favor and approval of men, or of God? Or am I seeking to please someone?
If I were still trying to be popular with men, I would not be a bond-servant of Christ.

I say -----So ask yourself Jaebius ----are you a true Bond-Servent of Christ or a People
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So you just used all that time to say what I just did - it's not the word CHRISTIAN itself that's the problem
 
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he lady in the video was definitely not a True Christ---ian ----FOLKS
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Christianity has been worn thin by countless denominations, endless interpretations, and the cheapening effect of modernity.

Things which the Christian allegedly must renounce are all the things necessary for a people to survive and thrive in the real world.

To renounce them and depend wholly on the idea that you will be granted personal immortality in heaven as a reward seems a bit selfish to my way of thinking.

And that the fate of your kin and the unchristian FOLKS will be to burn in hell for all eternity - I just can't buy into that.

I have never professed to be a Christian and never will.

That doesn't stop me from praying like my life depends on it.

I just can't define who or what it is that I am praying to - I sure hope it is not a True Christ -ian.

The diversity of Christian belief is so various that it borders on absurd.
 
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WhyCzar said:
Christianity has been worn thin by countless denominations, endless interpretations, and the cheapening effect of modernity.

Things which the Christian allegedly must renounce are all the things necessary for a people to survive and thrive in the real world.

To renounce them and depend wholly on the idea that you will be granted personal immortality in heaven as a reward seems a bit selfish to my way of thinking.

And that the fate of your kin and the unchristian FOLKS will be to burn in hell for all eternity - I just can't buy into that.

I have never professed to be a Christian and never will.

That doesn't stop me from praying like my life depends on it.

I just can't define who or what it is that I am praying to - I sure hope it is not a True Christ -ian.
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Modernity cheapens faith, WhyCzar, bc it worships comfort and novelty.

As for renouncing THE THINGS NECESSARY TO SURVIVE, that’s the paradox. Christianity subordinates the world’s realities. I recognize strength and intellect as gifts from God. To depend wholly on divine grace’s realism. The universe doesn’t owe us survival, and history remembers only the providence that lets the self-made person exist.

I see heaven as God's justice
 
Jaebius said:
So you just used all that time to say what I just did - it's not the word CHRISTIAN itself that's the problem
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The word Christian is dark and shady if you don't know the content ... many discerners haven't gone that far yet ... likely won't give the cost!

As Soc, declared ... know thy's elf ... they are the other color ... counter to dwarfs that are shaded ... stained in parts? Vegetable stuff from the tumble on the hillside ... like Clementine ... folly? They went for it ... it was an ugly connection but it had to be done ...

Then there was the pathological that did it and din't like the produce ... they ate their mistakes ... there's a name for that also ... kin doff a closed book ... tome?

Now some of the production knows ther' eis more and prepare ... the nature law declares it as "be prepared for anything and nothing." Eis is one ... the other is mysterious ... lives across that line ... thus | and O ... all that IO's ... that wind in the vale ... goes about!

Everyone should have a word for it ... some say archaea ... an alien bug? Know any lady that swallowed it?
 
Jaebius said:
it's not the word CHRISTIAN itself that's the problem
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Using the word Christian as originally meant to be used was given to those who actually Received Christ ----so Claiming to be a Christian when your not one --IS THE PROBLEM ---so the use of the Word is the actual problem when unbelievers use it -----

Before you use the Name Christ---ian -----Receive the person and Live it ------

From Google

Calling oneself a Christian while failing to live by Christ's teachings is indeed a deeper fulfillment of taking God's name in vain.

Lexical Summary
shav: Vanity, vain ,emptiness, falsehood, worthlessness ,deceit
speech that distorts reality

Get with the Program there Jaebius ------ :angel:

Agree to Disagree
 
unsafe said:
Using the word Christian as originally meant to be used was given to those who actually Received Christ ----so Claiming to be a Christian when your not one --IS THE PROBLEM ---so the use of the Word is the actual problem when unbelievers use it -----

Before you use the Name Christ---ian -----Receive the person and Live it ------

From Google

Calling oneself a Christian while failing to live by Christ's teachings is indeed a deeper fulfillment of taking God's name in vain.

Lexical Summary
shav: Vanity, vain ,emptiness, falsehood, worthlessness ,deceit
speech that distorts reality

Get with the Program there Jaebius ------ :angel:

Agree to Disagree
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Take the hint ... say nothing or it will be a vain comment about the ultimate that you have never come close to ... being a mortal ... unless you are something else! It is best to lay on myths and parables as different forms of metaphor ... thus bunk! Like Ruth and that builder ... forming a pilon ... column? With Ba 's!

Is the capital of pilon ... out of reach of the ground? More shafting ...
 
unsafe said:
Using the word Christian as originally meant to be used was given to those who actually Received Christ ----so Claiming to be a Christian when your not one --IS THE PROBLEM ---so the use of the Word is the actual problem when unbelievers use it -----

Before you use the Name Christ---ian -----Receive the person and Live it ------

From Google

Calling oneself a Christian while failing to live by Christ's teachings is indeed a deeper fulfillment of taking God's name in vain.

Lexical Summary
shav: Vanity, vain ,emptiness, falsehood, worthlessness ,deceit
speech that distorts reality

Get with the Program there Jaebius ------ :angel:

Agree to Disagree
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You're just restating what I've said. Seems you're just looking for an argument unsafe
 
Jaebius said:
You're just restating what I've said. Seems you're just looking for an argument unsafe
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Such is an indication or sign of those loving conflict rather than peace as the race on ... like a war horse without a name ... cannot be declared as it would be vain ... then isn't vanity and pride a thing accused of the other side always? Departures ... raptures ...
 
Luce NDs said:
Such is an indication or sign of those loving conflict rather than peace as the race on ... like a war horse without a name ... cannot be declared as it would be vain ... then isn't vanity and pride a thing accused of the other side always? Departures ... raptures ...
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Maybe someday Jae ... it'll close up shop ... like when that stallion killed the master! Everything shut down ...

No more hor*sing around ... they went west and trained dogs for herding and sledding ... it got more complicated .. as the wolves whispered too ...

The Romans didn't notice because of Hannibal ... and his larger beasties ... The Latin Dogs were slipping from the valley ... the story shifted to Shenandoah ... another cloud ... the view still fuzzy but the story even more intents ... the logged constructs would come ...

Mist it? Id'll return ...
 
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Jaebius said:
You're just restating what I've said.
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No ---Not Quite ----

You never said any of this -----so I am not repeating what you said ------and that is the truth -----no argument here -----


unsafe said:
Using the word Christian as originally meant to be used was given to those who actually Received Christ ----so Claiming to be a Christian when your not one --IS THE PROBLEM ---so the use of the Word is the actual problem when unbelievers use it -----

Before you use the Name Christ---ian -----Receive the person and Live it ------

From Google

Calling oneself a Christian while failing to live by Christ's teachings is indeed a deeper fulfillment of taking God's name in vain.

Lexical Summary
shav: Vanity, vain ,emptiness, falsehood, worthlessness ,deceit
speech that distorts reality
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