Are we worthy? Of what?

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This theology has caused so many problems. I get to see the collateral damage of this type of thinking every day. It is sad that a faith is grounded in this type of belief. It is shaming and demoralizing to people, partly because as humans we sometimes can't see past the negative to the positive. We only hear that we are unlovable, shameful and should not exist. Leaders have used this type of thinking to actively shame people who do not act according to what the leaders believe to be appropriate behaviours. When we are this kind of shame based, we tend to hurt others. Hurt people hurt people.Sadly, often people can't see past that shaming to the message of love. Maybe they are not allowed to see past the shaming to the love.



It is sad that a message of unconditional love seems too often to be given with conditions.

However ... do those dealing this conditional hand see what they are doing?
 
Sorry, discovered that due to my ignore settings I actually didn't see this thread, or the posts that led to it.

I believe all are worthy. Worthy means deserving attention, respect or caring.
I may not always be the one who is capable of expressing such worth or finding it, but, I am aware that everyone is worthy.

I posted this on my facebook the other night.

You know, if you are on my friends list: you matter to me.
We may be close friends by proximity or by theology or maybe by ideology, or maybe, we differ in opinions and I value those differences.
We may be family, co-workers, or co-volunteers, thrown together by life rather than choice, but then making choices to stay connected.
You matter to me. You are important. You are worthy.
In these days of holly, jolly, there can also be isolation and sadness. That which is "no longer" or "has never been" can become overwhelming.
I hope in the rough moments, you can remember that you matter to me. and if you matter to me, you matter to someone else too.
You matter. You are worthy. yes, you are important.
I wish that I knew when you needed me to scream it from the rooftops...or whisper it via a chat. I don't. so...I will remind you every so often.
You are important. You are worthy. You matter..​


Why? I had one friend who was really struggling...and I pondered if I should head over to her house. There was someone else there, so I didn't, but...we discussed a bit about the space she was in the next day.
I also had a friend find her sister on sunday, after her sister had committed suicide.

We all need to know that we are worthy, and that someone cares for us.
 
Sorry, discovered that due to my ignore settings I actually didn't see this thread, or the posts that led to it.

I believe all are worthy. Worthy means deserving attention, respect or caring.
I may not always be the one who is capable of expressing such worth or finding it, but, I am aware that everyone is worthy.

I posted this on my facebook the other night.

You know, if you are on my friends list: you matter to me.
We may be close friends by proximity or by theology or maybe by ideology, or maybe, we differ in opinions and I value those differences.
We may be family, co-workers, or co-volunteers, thrown together by life rather than choice, but then making choices to stay connected.
You matter to me. You are important. You are worthy.
In these days of holly, jolly, there can also be isolation and sadness. That which is "no longer" or "has never been" can become overwhelming.
I hope in the rough moments, you can remember that you matter to me. and if you matter to me, you matter to someone else too.
You matter. You are worthy. yes, you are important.
I wish that I knew when you needed me to scream it from the rooftops...or whisper it via a chat. I don't. so...I will remind you every so often.
You are important. You are worthy. You matter..​


Why? I had one friend who was really struggling...and I pondered if I should head over to her house. There was someone else there, so I didn't, but...we discussed a bit about the space she was in the next day.
I also had a friend find her sister on sunday, after her sister had committed suicide.

We all need to know that we are worthy, and that someone cares for us.

At least until someone declares you worthy of denial and puts you on ignore ... somewhat of a mystery is thus created as what they were worthy of is missed (mist) and so it goes't ... as stranger than fiction or phesh'n ...
 
Placing someone on ignore does not mean that someone isn't worthy, LuceNDS. Read my second point. "I may not always be...."

I am reminded of the movie, Dead Man Walking.
 
Placing someone on ignore does not mean that someone isn't worthy, LuceNDS. Read my second point. "I may not always be...."

I am reminded of the movie, Dead Man Walking.

Is this a general virtue? Or like the concept of Mithras (a scattered wisdom due to a broken host)? O bleed me silly ... and I bloody well rock in the sun ... as dancing and singing of Ad'm's ...

But then if Roman ad'mist doesn;t enter the discussion ... few would teach of the understanding thereof of sublime passages ... souers of Latin origins? Sis turns ...
 
Perhaps some digging and probing into historical virtue is apropos? In sol communication this is on-going ...

Some things of abstract nature should be experienced ... even though unseen at this time ...
 
Hi Crazyheart---On your post at #10
."You are wonderful, You are marvelous,

You are one of a kind, A child of God, and God loves you lots".
Airclean--post--
You seem somewhat mixed up.

Airclean--post
Olny after you recive Christ Jesus. John 1--13
2 Corinthians 5:14-17
(14) For the love of Christ compels us, because we judge thus: that if One died for all, then all died; (15) and He died for all, that those who live should live no longer for themselves, but for Him who died for them and rose again. (16) Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer. (17) Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.
 
Hi Crazyheart---On your post at #10
."You are wonderful, You are marvelous,

You are one of a kind, A child of God, and God loves you lots".
Airclean--post--
You seem somewhat mixed up.

Airclean--post
Olny after you recive Christ Jesus. John 1--13
2 Corinthians 5:14-17
(14) For the love of Christ compels us, because we judge thus: that if One died for all, then all died; (15) and He died for all, that those who live should live no longer for themselves, but for Him who died for them and rose again. (16) Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer. (17) Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.
Except Genesis 1 clearly states that humanity is made in God's image and that God looks at what has been made and pronounces it good.

And the people of Israel are chosen by GOd well before Jesus is even thought of (and never unchosen in Scripture).
 
Except Genesis 1 clearly states that humanity is made in God's image and that God looks at what has been made and pronounces it good.

And the people of Israel are chosen by GOd well before Jesus is even thought of (and never unchosen in Scripture).
- GordW--
I disagree with your interpretation of who it is GOD made, in Gen 1--27-29

Airclean--post--
I believe those who are born or Adams line are the children of GOD.
As Adam was born of GOD.into this" world. He breath into him.
As are those who are born of the second Adam , The Lord Jesus Christ". For we are given GODS Holy Spirit.
As you see in Gen 1 GOD this is man.
 
- GordW--
I disagree with your interpretation of who it is GOD made, in Gen 1--27-29

Airclean--post--
I believe those who are born or Adams line are the children of GOD.
As Adam was born of GOD.into this" world. He breath into him.
As are those who are born of the second Adam , The Lord Jesus Christ". For we are given GODS Holy Spirit.
As you see in Gen 1 GOD this is man.

Just to be clear, are you saying that God only loves thous who love His Son Jesus?
 
Just to be clear, are you saying that God only loves thous who love His Son Jesus?
--Hi Blackbelt .
John 3-16 shows God Loves the whole world.
But do you believe the whole world is to be saved?
I also believe that saving, is only through the Blood Of Christ Jesus!
. John 3-16 also tells you that.
 
--Hi Blackbelt .
John 3-16 shows God Loves the whole world.
But do you believe the whole world is to be saved?
I also believe that saving, is only through the Blood Of Christ Jesus!
. John 3-16 also tells you that.

thats not what I asked you , I didnt ask you about who is saved, i asked you does God Love everyone
 
God loves everyone because if God didn't why did God Create everyone?

Possible workaround depending on how you view God's creative work: God created humanity as part of Creation but not each individual human, so God could love humans as a species while not loving certain individuals. It's a stretch and I wouldn't believe it, but it could work for some. Certainly Deism holds that God started things running with a set of natural laws that then allowed things to progress on their own with minimal divine intervention so has no real control over how individuals turn out.
 
God loves everyone because if God didn't why did God Create everyone?
God clearly didn't. We evolved over time. Those who say that evolution was the tool used by God have to pinpoint the exact moment we became human. Was it 200,000 years ago? 100,000? 10,000?

And even if you ignore that problem, you still have the mammoth issue that bad things happen to good and bad people, including children. Including the unborn. God, if he exists and is in charge, is the busiest abortion doctor around.

God loving everyone is more preposterous than the question of existence.
 
God is the force that blasts waste people out the backside of the planets driving them through alien domains ... the last Fortier!

This is why we waste and deny people in the present spot ... thus a blast!
 
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