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Who will win this war?

  • Third wave feminists

  • Innocent babies

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I do see that you're trying to make this about equality. The fact is, that's very hard to do. In the work I've done, I've seen women abandoned by the men who got them pregnant (I tried to think of better language here). So, women are left having to very difficult decisions alone. That means this is an unequal issue where women bear the biggest burden. Not to mention the fact, they are the ones who carry the baby.

I do not believe abortion is the best choice. Ideally people would use birth control or would choose to place for adoption or parent the baby. We know ideal doesn't happen often. It is never my place to tell another what to do when faced with an unplanned pregnancy.
 
Northwind said:
I do see that you're trying to make this about equality. The fact is, that's very hard to do. In the work I've done, I've seen women abandoned by the men who got them pregnant (I tried to think of better language here). So, women are left having to very difficult decisions alone. That means this is an unequal issue where women bear the biggest burden. Not to mention the fact, they are the ones who carry the baby.

I do not believe abortion is the best choice. Ideally people would use birth control or would choose to place for adoption or parent the baby. We know ideal doesn't happen often. It is never my place to tell another what to do when faced with an unplanned pregnancy.
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So I agree with all but your last sentence. And I agree that it is not your call, or my call, but as human beings who hold life sacred. Like we protect life in all other circumstances, should find a way for these little people. There is somebody to love everyone.
 
Where are the anti-abortionists in Ontario protesting the yanking of the new sex ed curriculum?

They're the same people who yanked it - that's why you can't find them protesting it.

The politicians do not care about abortions. They care about votes and tax cuts. End of list. Only a handful of religious crazies in government actually care, and they are delusional enough to think everyone they're sitting with feels the same.
 
The subject is abortion.

If you go into the barber and he gives you a really bad haircut that is going to take nine months to grow out, you don’t walk into the 7-11 next door and shoot the cashier because you got a lousy haircut. The cashier is just an innocent bystander.

Somebody should not have to die every time you get a lousy haircut.
 
I very much appreciate this thread ...

and it has given me a new appreciation for the value of sex ed curriculum.

I had 2 abortions. I lived in Winnipeg MB and it was illegal in Canada at the time ...

Went to Buffalo New York for the first one (300$) included airfare procedure and 1 night in a hotel.

2nd was done in Grand Forks ND ... $150. (sister in law drove me there).

I do not know in either case which type of procedure I had. In both cases I was 'on the pill' but must have missed taking them regularly on more than one occasion.

In the first case I would not have been certain of who the father was - given the two choices - I went to the father that I wanted it to be - he advised me that he was sterile (mumps) but was willing to marry me anyway. That did not seem a fair deal to him to my mind. He was very kind and supportive around my choice to have an abortion. The biological father was never informed of my choice - he was all set up to marry a 'good' girl - I saw no reason to consult with him.

2nd time - I was living with a man (that I later married) - when I consulted with him around the pregnancy he said 'whose is it' ? ... It was his. I was sure. Again I did not want to force his hand. I withdrew - I moved out and chose to abort.

I am not ashamed of those choices - I did not suffer physically or even psychologically from having made those choices. I was barely able to keep myself alive in those days and could not even begin to imagine how I would take care of a child on my own.

That being said ... if I would not have had 'the choice' ... I think I would have managed and in all probability I would have straightened out before I would have neglected a 'baby'. We will never know.

I am very much pro-life and do think that far too many abortions are being done in the name of 'convenience'.

More education around the procedure of abortion - what it really entails - might be of great benefit to know 'before' you engage in sexual activity.

In hindsight - watching the video's as PG has provided ... I am now very much aware that these are not blobs of cells that we are 'industriously' exterminating - they are human beings - with a right to life.

Think back to a wanted pregnancy ... how soon do you start calling that blob of cells 'baby'?

To my experience - as soon as you know that you have conceived.
 
Not sure if you are asking me. But that is not the issue. Yet. That’s a hypothetical, like what would we do with 65,000 new refugees. A different bridge to cross.
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@Pontifex Geronimo 13 my question was for you and it is not a hypothetical. If you force women to have unwanted children then those children will need care and support. So what’s the plan? You can’t separate the child in utero from the baby, child and adult that will need help.
 
Is brute force contrary to free will for all concerned ... including a child that might not wish to come into this chaotic world?

In my upbringing by brutishly Pious edifices ... I learned I shouldn't be here and still people try and ignore and eliminate anything that is outlander to church protocol ... is that like beyond in "meta" "para" and "anon" as nothing autonomously recycles ... for flushing out old intelligence ?

Thus the New World Nous as hated by the establishment ... and po' lye MS understood? Could be the layers of past adepts, dead prophets ...

Words past understanding due to oly garcons redaction in rendering ... God-word can be played as a game blind to most ... satyr?
 
DaisyJane said:
The whole abortion debate isn't about protecting life. Conservative pro-life groups have repeatedly demonstrated they care little about life after birth. Abortion control is all about controlling women's reproductive and sexual lives.
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The whole abortion debate includes survivors ... I have been listening to them ...
“I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born.” ― Ronald Reagan ...
Now we know there are some that have been born ... survived abortion ... and are compelling ministers for pro life.
And if you do not have the time to listen to hear all sides of the debate ... then you do not have an open mind to this issue.
 
Obviously I should have been aborted as Christians for some time have been telling me I need to die for knowledge and wisdom accumulated ...

Describe wisdom? It is easier to demonstrate when it is missing ... all the enlightened believe they have it ... but a host (mani) are mistaken ... or so it appears as the earth becomes overpopulated with the human side of the species ...

Given a little time I won;t even know I'm going ... contrasting Jae who believes heis till coming ... Lord!
 
Ritafee said:
The whole abortion debate includes survivors ... I have been listening to them ...
“I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born.” ― Ronald Reagan ...
Now we know there are some that have been born ... survived abortion ... and are compelling ministers for pro life.
And if you do not have the time to listen to hear all sides of the debate ... then you do not have an open mind to this issue.
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This is an interesting story. Despite her trying to show that she is over the hurt of knowing that she was supposed to be aborted,one can still notice it. And certainly, as she says, abortion does affect the whole family- but so does adoption. Or, as in my oldest sister’s case, she was told that she was the result of failed contraception and that she messed up my mothers life.

I didn’t quite get the medical procedure- that they were doing it at 5 months pregnant, but then she was born right after the procedure and was 32 weeks old. Who knows what kind of laws they had at that time and it sounded that the grandmother bent some rules to make it happen.
 
My oldest child, who I gave up for adoption at birth, told me once that there had been periods in his life when he wished I had aborted him.
 
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