89 chapter project: Matthew

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paradox3 ---your quote ----- You are reading Paul's epistle to the Romans into the parables of Matthew's gospel, then?

unsafe says ----No the Parable is about Salvation and I was saying why the Gentiles were brought into the Salvation Package ----to make the Jews Jealous ----

Your the one who said you were Skeptical about the Jealous part and I simply showed you the Scripture which says the Gentiles were in fact brought in to make the Jews Jealous ----- :angel:---
 
BetteTheRed said:
Especially before we bother to examine the historical attribution of said epistles...but ok, no...
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Maybe I will decide to read and reflect on the entire new testament before I am done with this project. I have committed myself so far up to Acts . . .

Romans is quite complex, it seems to me. We just did a bible study series on I Corinthians this fall at church. It was interesting to note how many passages were super familiar to me and how many were unknown.
 
blackbelt1961 said:
Divine Airlines?
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Deus wingers ... parading in the dark so the Dais couldn't see them ... allows the bind faith Deil ... these are often known as the demos ... especially by tyrants in High Flight! May appear as Gabriel in some poly misunderstood myths ... these must be interpreted as layers ... stuff under the tapestries on the floor ... some even buried their ideals there .. and thus idealism is often lost when monis is involved in the leasta operations of befuddling those to be sucked into housing such characters ... honking Angels?

Some of them even snort ...
 
unsafe said:
paradox3 ---your quote ----- You are reading Paul's epistle to the Romans into the parables of Matthew's gospel, then?

unsafe says ----No the Parable is about Salvation and I was saying why the Gentiles were brought into the Salvation Package ----to make the Jews Jealous ----

Your the one who said you were Skeptical about the Jealous part and I simply showed you the Scripture which says the Gentiles were in fact brought in to make the Jews Jealous ----- :angel:---
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Exactly. Using the verses from Romans.
 
Gospel-Epistle conflict .... imagine!

I was told this was unlikely ... but I see a windy chance on an isolated shore ...
 
blackbelt1961 said:
I agree with this you're right , Messianic Jews regardless of what the Jewish leaders themselves say are still Jews.
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Officially, Jews who convert to other faiths are no longer Jewish. Self identification might be another story.

It seems to be quite acceptable to identify as a non-religious Jew.

AFAIK it is also okay to be a humanist Jew. Here in Toronto there is humanist Jewish congregation. I don't know how anyone feels about Jews who affiliate with secular groups such as the Oasis network.

And what about Unitarian Universalism? Would the Jewish world accept a Jewish UU? Or would such a person be seen as having converted to another faith? Maybe @Mendalla can shed some light here.
 
paradox3 said:
And what about Unitarian Universalism? Would the Jewish world accept a Jewish UU? Or would such a person be seen as having converted to another faith? Maybe @Mendalla can shed some light here.
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First off, we tend to have pretty good relations with the Jews. Most UU congregations I have been to have some kind of relationship with local synagogues, usually Reform ones. In fact, a rabbi became minister to a UU congregation stateside several years back.

As for whether they would accept a Jewish UU, not sure. Don't know enough Jews to have seen the scenario. Certainly, neither unitarianism nor universalism in their classical meanings are big ticket heresies for them as they are for some Christians. In fact, Judaism is technically unitarian since they reject the idea of the Trinity and are very monotheistic. Still, some Jewish groups are fussier than others about who is "in" so I suspect you might find Reform Jews and maybe some Conservative Jews accepting but Orthodox not so much. But that's speculation.
 
paradox3 said:
Officially, Jews who convert to other faiths are no longer Jewish. Self identification might be another story.
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The question to ask blackbelt is, "If a Jew who believes Jesus *is* the Messiah is still a Jew, is a Christian who *doesn't* believe Jesus was the Messiah still a Christian?"

It's not in blackbelt's best interests to respond to me because that never goes well for him. Someone else can ask him.
 
Waterfall said:
What does that have to do with the question?
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Are Jewish people Jewish because of religion or because of ethnicity you realize the argument has been going on for 2,000 years the religious leaders are like the Pharisees , Mike Pence recently found himself in the middle of it
 
chansen said:
Thanks, Jae. To clarify:

"Okay, but are they Christians?"
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One could believe he was mortal....as the Jews expect the Messiah to be mortal as prophesied( which Christians conveniently ignore as they claim Jesus fulfilled Jewish prophecy)...but personally I believe youd have to believe that Jesus is the Messiah to be a Christian. iMO.
 
blackbelt1961 said:
Are Jewish people Jewish because of religion or because of ethnicity you realize the argument has been going on for 2,000 years the religious leaders are like the Pharisees , Mike Pence recently found himself in the middle of it
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You still haven't answered the question
 
blackbelt1961 said:
Are Jewish people Jewish because of religion or because of ethnicity you realize the argument has been going on for 2,000 years the religious leaders are like the Pharisees , Mike Pence recently found himself in the middle of it
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Its how they refer to themselves....still dont know what pharisees have to do with Chansens question....but carry on.
 
blackbelt1961 said:
Which question the one Jae posted?

Christianity for all tense and purposes is a religion.

Judaism is a mixture of both religion and ethnicity.

Was jesus Christian?
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Any of them, actually.
Not the one Jae asked in # 790.
Not the one Chansen asked in # 792.
Nor, for that matter, the one Waterfall asked in # 793.
You've answered none of them.
 
Redbaron said:
Any of them, actually.
Not the one Jae asked in # 790.
Not the one Chansen asked in # 792.
Nor, for that matter, the one Waterfall asked in # 793.
You've answered none of them.
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Because there is no simple answer to it which side you fall on is up to you, that's why I said it's a 2000 year old argument the argument continues today.

The reason why it's very complicated is because Jewish people are not just Jewish by religion alone.

An as far a the religious part goes , there's arguments on both sides on whether they're still Jewish religiously or not
 
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