89 chapter project: Matthew

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chansen said:
Says the guy who links rejection of scripture with rejection of WTC conspiracy theories. Again, Christianity has a stupidity problem, and you're not helping.

It's also telling that you are more concerned that people believe your *version* of the story, than it is they believe the story at all. You seem more put out by George's words than mine, which has me upset that I don't rank above George. You need your version of your beliefs validated, and not only are you not getting that, you're making it worse by appealing to other things that are without evidence as kindred beliefs.

No one is buying your bulls**t here, except the people coming up with the most asinine statements imaginable. Your combined pool of credibility is bone dry.
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Like you, George doesn’t believe the story. When it suits him, he pretends he does.

You and Pavlos, though, are not in the same position as George.

When Jesus was on the cross he said, “Father forgive them for they don’t know what they are doing.”

So, you get a pass-for now.
 
Waterfall said:
Just curious....how do you discount 27 separate books that were written about Jesus (at different dates)that just happened to have been joined together into the Bible?
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LOL

By that standard, Sue Grafton's Alphabet Series, starting with "A is for Alibi" and ending with "Y is for Yesterday" is only 2 short of biblical authority.

How can these reasons given for biblical validity continue to be so terrible? I would struggle to make up reasons this bad.
 
Pontifex Geronimo 13 said:
Like you, George doesn’t believe the story. When it suits him, he pretends it does.

You and Pavlos, though, are not in the same position as George.

When Jesus was on the cross he said, “Father forgive them for they don’t know what they are doing.”

So, you get a pass-for now.
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In a world determined to know nothing because of the grace of an innocent god ... what can a poor mortal make of it?

... nothing! Seems to me Eire as the Black Velvet ... a feather-like feeling?

Jiminy Cricket ... Old Crow ... and from there a position of different perspective in time ... something to gather for grasp (get a'grip'a)?
 
Pontifex Geronimo 13 said:
When Jesus was on the cross he said, “Father forgive them for they don’t know what they are doing.”
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You think buildings hit by falling and burning desbris from taller buildings should be perfectly safe from collapse, and you use this opinion of yours to show how engineers don't know what they are doing.

You *need* the arrogantly incorrect to be forgiven.

You appeal to the fearful. I think that's wrong. But you are so atrocious at it, at least there is comedy to be mined here.
 
chansen said:
You think buildings hit by falling and burning desbris from taller buildings should be perfectly safe from collapse, and you use this opinion of yours to show how engineers don't know what they are doing.

You *need* the arrogantly incorrect to be forgiven.

You appeal to the fearful. I think that's wrong. But you are so atrocious at it, at least there is comedy to be mined here.
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Robust insecurity ... o' damn ... those Gael voices ...
 
Luce NDs said:
Robust insecurity ...
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I think beliefs like PG13's do come from a place of insecurity. There is strength and comfort in numbers. I can imagine how scary it is to see that protective bubble collapsing around you as people leave the faith or don't quite believe as you do any more. It must suck that there are more people like me, happy to ignore traditional calls for silence on religious matters. I think it sucks more to be fearful, and to be made fearful by stupid old beliefs.

If making fun of a supposedly all-powerful God and the ridiculous "proofs" offered here lead to insecurity, then how strong could it ever have been? These are fearful people, and they want everyone else to be as insecure as they are.
 
chansen said:
I think beliefs like PG13's do come from a place of insecurity. There is strength and comfort in numbers. I can imagine how scary it is to see that protective bubble collapsing around you as people leave the faith or don't quite believe as you do any more. It must suck that there are more people like me, happy to ignore traditional calls for silence on religious matters. I think it sucks more to be fearful, and to be made fearful by stupid old beliefs.

If making fun of a supposedly all-powerful God and the ridiculous "proofs" offered here lead to insecurity, then how strong could it ever have been? These are fearful people, and they want everyone else to be as insecure as they are.
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Pale horse of the pure electorate ... human err?

Then there is the split mind theory ... isn't that divine? Some process required ..
 
Waterfall said:
Just curious....how do you discount 27 separate books that were written about Jesus (at different dates)that just happened to have been joined together into the Bible? And depending on which bible you read there are more books gathered together. Also the collection from Nag Hamadi mentions Jesus also.
Have you made the mistake as viewing the entire Bible as one source only?
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It's irrelevant whether it is one book or one thousand, they all ask us to suspend belief, making them all fiction. and mentioning the nag hamidi dated from the fourth century. Seriously. You do realize you are claiming jesus is real because people wrote more fantasy stories with him as the main character. Nearly 300 years after the other books. Again seriously. You could claim the same thing about Dan Browns books
 
Pavlos Maros said:
No. Aesops fables are full of wisdom but not revered as sacred text. Why?
A thousand and one nights This work of fantastic tales and fantasies was collected over many centuries by various authors, translators, and scholars across West, Central, and South Asia and North Africa. each story supposedly told by Scheherazade. not revered as a sacred text. Why?
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I agree, and I'm starting to suspect that you need a living religion backing it up to render something "sacred scripture". I guess it's why the Aeniad is no longer sacred scripture.

Where does ancient stuff with no believers, like the Aeniad, like Beowulf, the Epic of Gilgamesh, belong in our "canon" of literature? What do we consider worth preserving and why?
 
Pavlos Maros said:
They didn't. We are talking about a book of fiction with fictional characters. There may have been an itinerent rabbi named jesus at the time. but there is nothing recorded with that name outside the bible, so there is no way of being sure. And as for what this person is attributed to have said or done is pure hearsay, simply because there is no evidence for such a person.
There was never a biblical magic man jesus as the book claims either. That is just to absurd.
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Pavlos, you know better than this. The case for a real person named Jesus is pretty strong. Tom Harpur tried on a "Jesus the myth" in The Pagan Christ, which really suffered from playing very selectively with the evidence. There's strong external evidence for the existence of a human Jesus, writings contemporary to the time - Jewish, Roman and Greek, in later Judaism and Islam; the evidence for a divine Jesus is, of course, non-existent.
 
chansen said:
LOL

By that standard, Sue Grafton's Alphabet Series, starting with "A is for Alibi" and ending with "Y is for Yesterday" is only 2 short of biblical authority.

How can these reasons given for biblical validity continue to be so terrible? I would struggle to make up reasons this bad.
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Thats the best you can come up with? You are mid 40's (guessing), do you suppose there is a person living today that will be revered by as many people 2000 years from now? Someone who would be written about by their followers enough to influence future generations to suggest divinity?
Or are past generations particularly prone to being fooled and this generation exempt due to being more advanced thinkers IYO?
 
Pavlos Maros said:
It's irrelevant whether it is one book or one thousand, they all ask us to suspend belief, making them all fiction. and mentioning the nag hamidi dated from the fourth century. Seriously. You do realize you are claiming jesus is real because people wrote more fantasy stories with him as the main character. Nearly 300 years after the other books. Again seriously. You could claim the same thing about Dan Browns books
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Your point was that only the Bible mentions Jesus.....my point was there are plenty books that do ......but they were compiled together within the Bible.
 
paradox3 ----How do find rest for our souls in Jesus? Is the yoke of following him easy and the burden light?

unsafe says
In Matthew Jesus is still alive so the Law is in place -----The Jews were heavily burdened trying to keep the Laws and Jesus here invites them to lay down there heavy load and embrace the coming Salvation which will give them rest for their souls ------Jesus came to preach the Good News to the Jews and get them to abandon the Law ------

Now after Jesus death the New Covenant come in to play ---the only way to find rest for our souls is to receive Jesus as our Lord and Saviour and have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit -----there is no rest for our souls without Christ in us ----

Your Quote here --------Is the yoke of following him easy and the burden light

The Yoke of Christ is light and burden free because the yoke is lined with Love and power to help us in our weakness ------so again in Matthew Jesus is trying to tell the Jews to take His yoke and lay down self and the Law ------

Now since Jesus death The Law is Out and Grace is in place -----the only way to take His yoke of ease is to lay ourselves down and receive Jesus who gives us the comforter who dwells in us and we have Grace who is Jesus to call on for strength in our weakness and the Blood which was shed continually cleanses us from the guilt when we sin ------




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