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GeoFee said:
Hi,
I would say Jesus contradicts patriarchal dominance, inspired by the example of Mary.

What would you say?

George
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No. The opposite would be correct. The way he spoke and treated his mother when she found him, doesn't show that he took his examples from his mother. I would say he is the epitome of patriarchal dominance.
 
Pavlos Maros said:
No. The opposite would be correct. The way he spoke and treated his mother when she found him, doesn't show that he took his examples from his mother. I would say he is the epitome of patriarchal dominance.
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Ah, yes, but his positive attitude towards prostitutes is evidence in the other direction. To accept the class of women that was almost universally condemned was a very gender-affirming act.
 
Since we are discussing the narrative from Luke, let's have a look at it.

Luke 2: 41 - 52 NRSV

The Boy Jesus in the Temple
41 Now every year his parents went to Jerusalem for the festival of the Passover. 42 And when he was twelve years old, they went up as usual for the festival. 43 When the festival was ended and they started to return, the boy Jesus stayed behind in Jerusalem, but his parents did not know it. 44 Assuming that he was in the group of travelers, they went a day’s journey. Then they started to look for him among their relatives and friends. 45 When they did not find him, they returned to Jerusalem to search for him. 46 After three days they found him in the temple, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions. 47 And all who heard him were amazed at his understanding and his answers. 48 When his parents saw him they were astonished; and his mother said to him, “Child, why have you treated us like this? Look, your father and I have been searching for you in great anxiety.” 49 He said to them, “Why were you searching for me? Did you not know that I must be in my Father’s house?” 50 But they did not understand what he said to them. 51 Then he went down with them and came to Nazareth, and was obedient to them. His mother treasured all these things in her heart.

52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and in years, and in divine and human favor.
 
BetteTheRed said:
Ah, yes, but his positive attitude towards prostitutes is evidence in the other direction. To accept the class of women that was almost universally condemned was a very gender-affirming act.
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Women of Runes are more appropriate to read in delight? In both hue M'N and separated favour ... divinity as fudged ... for all we know about ancient redacted myths! You know the despots couldn't resist altering stuff ...

For balance the alternates should change to maintain equivocation? Thus the reactive blasts ... the effect of unrequited passions ...
 
paradox3 said:
Luke 2: 41 - 52 NRSV

The Boy Jesus in the Temple
41 Now every year his parents went to Jerusalem for the festival of the Passover. 42 And when he was twelve years old, they went up as usual for the festival. 43 When the festival was ended and they started to return, the boy Jesus stayed behind in Jerusalem, but his parents did not know it. 44 Assuming that he was in the group of travelers, they went a day’s journey. Then they started to look for him among their relatives and friends. 45 When they did not find him, they returned to Jerusalem to search for him. 46 After three days they found him in the temple, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions. 47 And all who heard him were amazed at his understanding and his answers. 48 When his parents saw him they were astonished; and his mother said to him, “Child, why have you treated us like this? Look, your father and I have been searching for you in great anxiety.” 49 He said to them, “Why were you searching for me? Did you not know that I must be in my Father’s house?” 50 But they did not understand what he said to them. 51 Then he went down with them and came to Nazareth, and was obedient to them. His mother treasured all these things in her heart.

52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and in years, and in divine and human favor.
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I don't see Jesus words here as rude, but reminding Mary & Joseph he was not an ordinary child.
Also, I don't see Mary & Joseph as relapse. We need to adjust our lenses to avoid being anachronic.
It's clear they were traveling with a caravan - lots of people, everyone caring for everyone else. Very different from our times.
 
Back to the story in Luke . . .

Yes, his parents lost him for 3 days.

They found him among the leaders in the temple and did not seem to understand why. "Did you not know I must be about my father's business?" is how I know this verse. (RKJ)

Yet he returned to Nazareth with them and was obedient to them. This does not sound disrespectful to me at all. I agree with @GiancarloZ who posted above as I was typing. :ninja:
 
Gnomastic tribes are tight ... due to abuse from alien powers ...

Thus blind science as hated gnosticism by those of opposing institutions ... blind fates?

They can't see much in more open times ...
 
And there is a line about not taking "cheesemakers" too literally.

Because it can be interpreted as referring to to all producers of dairy products. :LOL:
 
paradox3 said:
And there is a line about not taking "cheesemakers" too literally.

Because it can be interpreted as referring to to all producers of dairy products. :LOL:
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Milk that one for all you've got ... the despots will receive any excess and more if they can use their power to do so and leave us like buttermilk in the last dance ... chi'z cloaking?
 
GiancarloZ said:
I love the way Luke portrays Mary.
I've come to know that recently scholars have given a thought that maybe the author of Luke was a woman. It would make sense.
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A devilish conception to the archetypal patriarchs! Like White Angels against the Black in trumpeting who's the most smudged of flighty essences ... a mental conflict! Red adornments as socialist without despot-like attributes ... shifty in different ways ...

Caution she could whip a horse right into the vale ... where it'd Deil with the flop ... whispers across the pool ...
 
Hi,
Pavlos Maros said:
I would say he is the epitome of patriarchal dominance.
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This based on...?

Matthew notices John the Baptist calling for repentance, an abandoning of one perspective and adopting another. This signified by immersion in the Jordan. This, perhaps, evoking passage through water marking the beginning of a people’s journey of liberation from the Egyptian structures of dominance and control? Jesus steps out of the dominant imagination and into a new imagination.

Three times the ruler of this world offers Jesus access to patriarchal status. Jesus refuses by reference to the Deuteronomic text and tradition.

Engaging the Beatitudes we notice the inversion of power. In Jesus humility trumps pride and generosity trumps greed. Jesus puts this ethos into practice, making manifest the feminine grace of compassion in and through all his relations.

George
 
GiancarloZ said:
I love the way Luke portrays Mary.
I've come to know that recently scholars have given a thought that maybe the author of Luke was a woman. It would make sense.
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Meanwhile, millions of people around the world believe that Luke was written by... Luke.
 
Jae said:
Meanwhile, millions of people around the world believe that Luke was written by... Luke.
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I never said they are right, just that it is an interesting thought. I don't think wondering about historical events of Scripture is heretical.
 
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