89 chapter project: Matthew

[Jaebius]

Did I say it contradicted your statement? I said Jesus suggested otherwise in the sermon on the mount.

At the very least, it is a different emphasis in a different context.

Okay, so in what way iyho is what Jesus said different than what I shared?

 

[Luce NDs]

Does God hate those that stir the kettle ... the great caldron or perhaps even the holy grail ... some dish?

Some freshening of the cup is preferred ...

 

[paradox3]

paradox3 ---your quote ----It was quite shocking for me to learn that the four gospels were not eye witness accounts.

unsafe says ----Luke says they were eyewitnesses ------So who are we to say they aren't -----OH! Ye of little Faith

verse 2 --read


Luke 1 (GW)
Luke Writes to Theophilus
1 Many have attempted to write about what had taken place among us.

2 They received their information from those who had been eyewitnesses and servants of God’s word from the beginning, and they passed it on to us.

3 I, too, have followed everything closely from the beginning. So I thought it would be a good idea to write an orderly account for Your Excellency, Theophilus. 4 In this way you will know that what you’ve been told is true.



unsafe says ----Peter says this about eyewitnesses -----verse 2 read

2 Peter 1:16-21 (GW)
Pay Attention to God’s Words

16 When we apostles told you about the powerful coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, we didn’t base our message on clever myths that we made up. Rather, we witnessed his majesty with our own eyes.

17 For example, we were eyewitnesses when he received honor and glory from God the Father and when the voice of our majestic God spoke these words to him: “This is my Son, whom I love and in whom I delight.”

18 We heard that voice speak to him from heaven when we were with him on the holy mountain.

19 So we regard the words of the prophets as confirmed beyond all doubt. You’re doing well by paying attention to their words. Continue to pay attention as you would to a light that shines in a dark place as you wait for day to come and the morning star to rise in your hearts.

20 First, you must understand this: No prophecy in Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation.

21 No prophecy ever originated from humans. Instead, it was given by the Holy Spirit as humans spoke under God’s direction.



This article is worth the read ------

10. Eyewitness Testimony in Mark’s Gospel

10. Eyewitness Testimony in Mark’s Gospel


unsafe says ---So for all the people --scholars etc who say the Gospels were not eyewitness accounts -----there is evidence that says there was ------so it is all up to what we want to believe about scripture and what we don't want to believe ------

And here is the thing God says Himself His Word is Truth -----eyewitness accounts or not we are to believe by Faith that what is written in Scripture is the truth without any evidence ------that is what real unseen Faith is

Hi unsafe. The quote from Luke reads that eyewitness accounts of Jesus have been passed along through others. Such accounts could very well have involved accurate information. But I still say that the gospels (as we have them) are a combination of history and faith testimony.

I don't know about Peter. We studied James at church last year. According to tradition, James was written by the brother of Jesus. We were told it is the only writing available by someone believed to have known Jesus personally.

Of course, we tend to look to liberal scholarship in the United Church. Other biblical scholars may have a different view.

 

[unsafe]

paradox3 ----Your Quote ------ "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God." (Matthew 5:9 NRSV)

unsafe says -----
Here again is your worldly glasses working -------First off it says Blessed are the peacemakers ------Jesus is alive here and the Law is in place still and the Law comes under the Curse there was no Blessed People -----the only way to be blessed is to keep the law and no man could keep the law ----so no man at the time of Jesus being alive was Blessed ---Jesus came to do away with the Curse and bring the Blessing in by Dying on the cross ------so the only way to be a peacemaker of any kind who could be Blessed is to accept Jesus as their Lord and Saviour -----

The second clue for this being in the future is ------- for they will be called children of God." (Matthew 5:9 NRSV)

Only people who have Received Jesus as their Lord and Saviour are called Children of God ---------We are all God's creation but we have to be Adopted back into God's Family to be a Child of God ------

Jesus came to preach the Good News -----this was not in affect till Jesus was Crucified ------

 

[Jaebius]

No, not really. How does a person who lacks the capacity to understand "receive Jesus" in your view?

I've already shared on this thread p3 that I believe in infant baptism. I believe that one may receive Christ in the waters of baptism.

This may be a more interesting question to ask people like @unsafe and @blackbelt1961 - who believe that receiving Christ depends upon a choice being made by an individual.

 

[Luce NDs]

Can (penne) Sylvania Steel make a good point of writ to divide the house?

Consider it my fantasy ... putting the cisterns on the other side of the ABBA 'd ... too cupish?

 

[BetteTheRed]

So, in your opinion, unsafe, then everyone who died before Jesus did, was not "saved"?

 

[Luce NDs]

If God is both earthy and divine must we get over the MO- đive separation as the sun dives at sunset ...

Tis the MO bringing on the tar of night ... a sticky situation with the roofer fiddling about!

Global perspective personified?

 

[blackbelt1961]

I've already shared on this thread p3 that I believe in infant baptism. I believe that one may receive Christ in the waters of baptism.

This may be a more interesting question to ask people like @unsafe and @blackbelt1961 - who believe that receiving Christ depends upon a choice being made by an individual.

but the question was to you

 

[paradox3]

Okay, so in what way iyho is what Jesus said different than what I shared?

Well, I don't see that being a "peacemaker" and "receiving Jesus" are identical.

The two can go hand in hand of course. No one is saying it is always one or the other.

 

[paradox3]

paradox3 ----Your Quote ------ "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God." (Matthew 5:9 NRSV)

unsafe says -----
Here again is your worldly glasses working -------First off it says Blessed are the peacemakers ------Jesus is alive here and the Law is in place still and the Law comes under the Curse there was no Blessed People -----the only way to be blessed is to keep the law and no man could keep the law ----so no man at the time of Jesus being alive was Blessed ---Jesus came to do away with the Curse and bring the Blessing in by Dying on the cross ------so the only way to be a peacemaker of any kind who could be Blessed is to accept Jesus as their Lord and Saviour -----

The second clue for this being in the future is ------- for they will be called children of God." (Matthew 5:9 NRSV)

Only people who have Received Jesus as their Lord and Saviour are called Children of God ---------We are all God's creation but we have to be Adopted back into God's Family to be a Child of God ------

Jesus came to preach the Good News -----this was not in affect till Jesus was Crucified ------

It's good to understand your perspective, unsafe, although by and large I don't share it. But I am finding it most interesting to learn where you and others are coming from. And you are keeping me on my toes around here.

 

[Jaebius]

Well, I don't see that being a "peacemaker" and "receiving Jesus" are identical.

The two can go hand in hand of course. No one is saying it is always one or the other.

Christians are peace's children. They're to be peace-promoters in the midst of a world broken by hatred, selfishness, war and the isms. They are to show themselves to be children of God - who has thoughts of peace towards all. By grace, God is their God, Christ is their brother and heaven is their inheritance.

 

[Luce NDs]

Rigidity in heaven is superfluous ...

Some say out there is close to absolute zero and in the human head is an approximation ... abstract zero? Abstract meanin incomplete in some traditions ... I won't say Hoo ...

 

[DaisyJane]

I've already shared on this thread p3 that I believe in infant baptism. I believe that one may receive Christ in the waters of baptism.

This may be a more interesting question to ask people like @unsafe and @blackbelt1961 - who believe that receiving Christ depends upon a choice being made by an individual.

Okay. So just to make sure I understand, you believe that when children are baptized then Christ is "received". So in cases when someone, similar to a child, cannot consent to baptism proxy consent is sufficient.

I would be interested to know what those who believe Christ must be actively "chosen" would say to my question.

 

[DaisyJane]

Christians are peace's children. They're to be peace-promoters in the midst of a world broken by hatred, selfishness, war and the isms. They are to show themselves to be children of God - who has thoughts of peace towards all. By grace, God is their God, Christ is their brother and heaven is their inheritance.

I personally find that those are easy words to say, and type on a screen. For me it is up there with "thoughts and prayers". The challenge is turning faith into action. Beyond telling people they should accept Christ, what does your faith challenge you to actively do to be a peacemaker. How do you promote the Kingdom of God?

 

[Luce NDs]

Is there anything more dissonant in the night than love-children ... spoor of the previous activity ...

Dissonance was once known as "Eris" ... a word that I've used to confuse even authorities of literature ...

This may indicate what each of us lack ... something! Some couldn't see what a sroo win around could bring on ...

A mean little bugger that will not allow rest?

 

[Jaebius]

Okay. So just to make sure I understand, you believe that when children are baptized then Christ is "received". So in cases when someone, similar to a child, cannot consent to baptism proxy consent is sufficient.

What I'd say is sufficient DaisyJane is the activity of God.

 

[DaisyJane]

What I'd say is sufficient DaisyJane is the activity of God.

WOW. Something we agree on. This is good.

I suppose the difference would be that I don't feel any action is required. That all are children of God because we are all created in the image of the Divine. For me that "activity of God" is sufficient.

 

[unsafe]

BetteTheRed ------your quote ------ So, in your opinion, unsafe, then everyone who died before Jesus did, was not "saved"?

unsafe says -----
In the Old Testament God Himself dealt with the People directly -----the way to be saved in the Old Testament was the same as the New ---Grace through Faith ------God Tested People's Faith in the Old Testament ----Noah's Faith was tested ------Job's Faith was tested ---Abraham's Faith was Tested etc---etc --etc ----- In the New Testament which doesn't Really start until Jesus dies cause Jesus came under the Old Testament Law to demolish it's affect of the Curse -----no one was Saved till God's Grace brought in the Salvation Package which comes through Faith in what the Shed Blood of Jesus did ------To cover Sin Blood had to be shed -------In the Old Testament animals were sacrificed ----Jesus paid the Price for all Sin to be covered for all time so Sin is no longer an issue when we receive Jesus in our hearts -------Anyone who does not receive Jesus now Remains under the Law and the Curse ------that is what scripture says ------the Law is for Sinners -----to be Blessed you need a Name Change from Sinner to Saint by and through receiving Jesus in your heart ------

 

[Luce NDs]

Imagine the unorthodoxy of someone outside the law ... a dark thinker?

The Shadow prevails ... but you cannot speak of it as an unseen ... black is abstract ... somewhat missing in hue ...

Black Swan ... or just swallowing crow ...