1 John: A Journey

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1 John 2:12-14

John reassures the early Christians they are on the right path. Key points:

Their sins are forgiven.
They know God who has been from the beginning.
They have conquered the evil one.
They are strong.
The word of God resides within them.
 
All wonderful things, right?

Were they specific to Christians in John's day? How about the present day?
 
So we see in Verse 12 --that he is speaking to little children whose sins have been forgiven

So who are God's little Children ????----Believers

Greek word for Children here used in verse 12 is

Lexicon
teknion: Little child, dear child

1 John 2:12-13, John uses τεκνίον to address different groups within the church, reinforcing the idea of a spiritual family united in faith and love. The use of this term reflects the early Christian understanding of the church as a family, where believers are cared for and guided with love and compassion,also implies a sense of dependency and the need for guidance, much like a child relies on a parent. This reflects the broader biblical theme of believers as children of God, who are nurtured and instructed in the faith.

The last part of verse 12 ----says -----using the AMP B here

sins have been forgiven for His name’s sake [you have been pardoned and released from spiritual debt through His name because you have confessed His name, believing in Him as Savior].

Verse 13 -----AMP

Amplified Bible
I am writing to you, fathers [those believers who are spiritually mature], because you know Him who has existed from the beginning. I am writing to you, young men [those believers who are growing in spiritual maturity], because you have been victorious and have overcome the evil one. I have written to you, children [those who are new believers, those spiritually immature], because you have come to know the Father.

I Say --------This gives you the different levels of maturity of that true Christians start at and mature to -----and the person has to want to and take the initiative to mature in their Faith walk with Christ ---this progress does not happen automatically -----this takes much practice and work from the Believer to obtain the different levels of Maturity ---and of course no one will ever reach perfection as the believers Flesh remains weak ----and will always fall short but Grace is there for the Believer to call upon for help to stay sin free as much as possible -----MY GRACE IS SUFFICIENT -----Jesus is Grace ----Jesus full of Grace and truth ------John 1:17

Also this gives you the reason that there are different Spiritual interpretations that believers give as the Holy Spirit will only give you the understanding that you can handle and understand at the Spiritual maturity level your at ----the more Mature you are the deeper your Spiritual understanding becomes ----

Verse 14

Amplified Bible
I have written to you, fathers, because you know Him who has existed from the beginning. I have written to you, young men, because you are strong and vigorous, and the word of God remains [always] in you, and you have been victorious over the evil one [by accepting Jesus as Savior].

I say --------So fathers here are the Spiritually Mature ---young men here are Growing in their Spiritually Mature state -----these 2 believe the word and keep it flowing in them --they are victorious in keeping the enemy at bay ----

Who is the enemy here -----?????

I say -------this word evil here in this scripture in Greek is

From Bible hub
Lexicon
ponéros: Evil, wicked, bad, malicious

the devil, or (plural) sinners -- bad, evil, grievous, harm, lewd, malicious, wicked
in the New Testament to describe evil in various forms, including evil people, actions, and spiritual forces.


I say ----------This lines up with this scripture where God says ----in Luke 10:19 AMPC

Jesus is sending out the Disciples to do His work ====and He says to them

19 Behold! I have given you authority and power to trample upon serpents and scorpions, and [physical and mental strength and ability] over all the power that the enemy [possesses]; and nothing shall in any way harm you.


I say ------True Christ-ians need to know and believe who they really are in Christ and what they have possession of in His name ----today there are so many weak Christians running around not knowing the ability they have been given by accepting Christ in their hearts -and Maturing in their Spiritual walk with Him --

They call themselves Sinners still when they are Saints -----and what you Keep calling yourself is what you will become ----

I say ---to True Christians ---

You Can't Stop the Birds from Flying over your head ----but you Can Stop them from Nesting in your Hair and taking root ------


Were they specific to Christians in John's day? How about the present day?
The list here you provide

Their sins are forgiven.
They know God who has been from the beginning.
They have conquered the evil one.
They are strong.
The word of God resides within them.

I say -----The first one applies to all people --believers and unbelievers -----

The rest apply ----in my view ---for those who have received Jesus as their Lord and Saviour as John's Gospel points out ---

I say that cause --unbelievers don't have a relationship with God ----they are away from God as Per Scripture---Isaiah 59:2

Some unbelievers may know of God but they don't personally know God -

Unbelievers have not conquered the enemy --

Unbelievers can be Worldly strong but not Spiritually strong through Christ ---

Unbelievers do not keep God's word in them ---- as Scripture points out that the Natural man thinks God's word is foolish and he can't receive it ----1 Corinthians 2:14
 
Where does Jesus' story of the good Samaritan fit in here?
Found this --don't know if you agree with it or not -----

AI

Yes, 1 John 1 and 2 reflect the parable of the Good Samaritan. The parable emphasizes that love and compassion should be extended to all, including those who may be considered enemies or strangers. 1 John 1 and 2 similarly emphasize the importance of love and compassion for one another, and for Christ himself.

Here's a more detailed explanation:

  • The Good Samaritan:
    This parable teaches that love and compassion should be extended to all, not just those who are close to us, or who are like us. The Samaritan, who was an outsider in the eyes of many Jews, is the one who shows mercy and compassion to the wounded traveler.
  • 1 John 1 and 2:
    These chapters in 1 John emphasize the importance of walking in love and light, and of having fellowship with God and one another. Just as the Samaritan acted with compassion and love towards the wounded traveler, so too should Christians act towards one another.
  • Christ as the Good Samaritan:
    Some interpretations see Christ himself as the ultimate Good Samaritan, who has loved and cared for all mankind.
  • Love as a Key Theme:
    Both the parable and 1 John 1 and 2 highlight the importance of love. The Good Samaritan's actions are motivated by love, and 1 John emphasizes that love is a key characteristic of God and of those who are his followers.
  • Compassion and Care:
    The parable shows the importance of taking care of those who are in need. Similarly, 1 John encourages Christians to be compassionate and caring towards one another.
 
@unsafe AI seems to be talking about Christians loving and taking care of each other (as expressed by John). Believer to believer, right?

Jesus tells the parable of the good Samaritan when asked, "Who is my neighbor?"

Jesus is making a broader point. The Samaritan comes to the aid of the injured Jew after religious leaders have passed him by.

This is a remarkable story considering Jews and Samaritans were theologically opposed. Despite having common roots, the two groups were quite hostile to each other.

Jesus sought to break down such barriers in his teachings. John, on the other hand, can be seen as creating barriers between believers and non-believers.
 
It might help, unsafe, if you changed up the characters.

The man beaten up: a stranger, perhaps a good Christian, upstanding, but at his moment of need, without resources. No cell phone, no family or friends to help.

The ones who passed by. A local lawyer, well-respected, known for his pro bono work, his generous support of the local United Church. The second, an RCC priest, trained in first aid.

The one who helped. A transgender sex worker, into Wicca if she has any religion at all.
 
@unsafe AI seems to be talking about Christians loving and taking care of each other (as expressed by John). Believer to believer, right?
I don't think so --John is pointing out the difference in believers and unbelievers -----and for me the Parable is doing just that as well --------lets look at it in this way ----

1 John 1

Light and Darkness​

5 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.

6 If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth.


Which is what the parable is pointing out as well ----in my view

The man was robbed and beaten ----

A Priest who is suppose to Agape God and is well versed in the Scriptures and be walking in the light ---Leaves the man as he is -----hurt and beaten

The other person is a levite -----so who was this guy ----he was a priestly man ---supposedly Agaped God ---knew the scriptures and was suppose to be walking in the light -----Leaves the man as he is -----hurt and beaten

AI

In the Bible, Levites were a priestly tribe who served in the Tabernacle and later the Temple, assisting the priests in various duties and responsibilities.

This is pointing to verse 6 -----here
6 If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth.

so both claiming to be of God's light ----but really they are walking in the dark -----which is what John is saying ------they didn't live out the truth which is what ----to Agape their neighbour and help him

So who were the Samaritans --did they believe in God and follow him ----

AI


Yes, Samaritans believe in God. They adhere to a monotheistic faith, believing in one God, similar to Judaism and Christianity. Samaritanism, their religion, developed alongside Judaism and shares many similarities, including veneration of the Torah and belief in one God.

So now you have a Samaritan who comes on the scene ------Who apparently believed in God and followed God ----so this particular Samaritan ---was waling with God in the Light --and was living the truth -----He helped his neighbour ------

And this is 1 John 1 verse 7
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another

 
It might help, unsafe, if you changed up the characters.
I don't know about changing up the characters --you have 2 people claiming to be priests who are suppose to be Godly passing the man leaving him torn and beaten -----and a real Godly guy comes along and does does what God has commanded ----

Agape God first and then Agape your neighbour -----

the 2 priests are walking in the dark --not the light ----the one who helps walks in the light --and John points out the difference in his chapters ----that is how I see it
 
But the one who helped was not in the accepted group.
Well that depends how your read the parable ---

The Parable is all about obeying the 1st Commandment ---and giving God the Glory ----

Agape God with all your heart -soul --mind and strength and through your Agape for God ---you will Agape and help your neighbour ---


Seeing through a Spiritual lens------ the Samaritan who the Jews disliked was accepted in God's Group and the Priests who thought they were in God's group were the ones not accepted in God's group -----


So seeing it thought your Worldly Lens -----does your transgender Wiccan lady in your story---
Agape The God of Abraham --Isaac and Jacob with her heart --soul mind and strength or have her own transgender Wiccan god that she loves and follows --If she Agape's the God of Abraham --Isaac and Jacob ---- she would walk in the Light and would help the man giving God the Glory -----If she has her own transgender Wiccan god she might help the man just to make herself feel good and go tell others of her good deed --giving herself the Glory -which feeds her ego -----

Not sure how you want your story go -----
 
1 John 2:15-17
John cautions against loving the world or the things in the world. He specifies:

The desire of the flesh
The desire of the eyes
The arrogance produced by material possessions

The world is passing away with all its desires. The person who does the will of God remains forever.
 
As many dinners as Jesus went to, not exactly ascetic. His vision of the coming kindom as a wedding feast might argue against that as well.
 
@Redbaron Has John lost some of the essence of Jesus by the time he writes these epistles?

I was always taught that Jesus was fully human and fully divine.

In John's Gospel, we see Jesus turning water into wine, enjoying dinners with his friends, attending feasts in Jerusalem and weeping at the death of Lazarus.

Arguably these are all things of the world. Very human, too.

Jesus also enjoyed the company of women. We usually assume such relationships were platonic but I don't think we can be certain..
 
So what verses 15-17 are suggesting is

Do not love this sinful wicked world and its desires as it opposes what God;s will is for His Hunan kind ----

So if anyone Loves this world and its desires than the Agape of the Father is not in them ----

So what does this really mean ---here is what AI says


AI

The statement "the love of the Father is not in them" (found in 1 John 2:15) means that those who love the world and its desires are not experiencing God's love or living in a way that reflects God's love. It suggests a fundamental conflict between loving God and loving the world, as the world's values and desires are seen as contrary to God's will.

Elaboration:
  • Contrasting Love:
    1 John 2:15 emphasizes that loving the world and loving God are mutually exclusive. If a person's affections are primarily directed towards the world, then they cannot also be experiencing the love of the Father in a deep and meaningful way.

  • The Nature of Worldly Love:
    The verse identifies worldly love as being rooted in "physical lusts, lusts in one's thoughts, and arrogant pride," which are things that come from the world and are not from the Father.

  • Living in the World's System:
    The "world" in this context refers to a fallen, man-centered system or way of life that is opposed to God's will and values.

  • True Love of the Father:
    True love of the Father is demonstrated through obedience to God's commandments and a commitment to living according to His will, which is the opposite of a love for the world's values and desires.

  • Separation from the World:
    Believers are called to be separate from the world and its ways, aligning themselves with God's values and purpose.

I say
All this world has to offer is lust and desirable cravings of the flesh ----- which our eyes can take hold of -----and our pride can boast about -----

These things do not come from the Father but represents what the world has to offer us ---Which is ------ungodly living and pursuits that can come back and bite us in the butt ---like lusting after another mans wife or husband ----being jealous of another that leads to harm ---lusting after easy money that breaks the law ----etc ----

This world Folks is going to pass away ---which means all that this world can offer us will also pass away ----there is a future time that is coming where this earth will be burned up and all wickedness will be destroyed ----Fire purifies in God's eyes ----so this earth will be once again Purified and made clean and holy -----

God wants all people to share in His Kingdom ---but not all people want to share in His Kingdom

We all have free will to choose if we want to be eternally separated from God or live eternally in God's new purified --clean and Holy earth ---all in our hands to choose -----we can only blame ourselves for our wrong choices in this life ---

AI -----------on free will


Free will, in simple terms, is the idea that humans have the ability to make their own choices and are not simply puppets of outside forces. This includes the ability to choose between different courses of action and feel responsible for those choices.

Sorry ---can't blame God for our free choice ---- :angel:
 
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I have often heard of John's Gospel (and John's Epistles) referred to as the "Spiritual Gospel.' When I was in Sunday School, that always seemed to me to mean 'We don't know what he really means, but it must be important.' We were not encouraged to ask too many questions back then....
 
His vision of the coming kindom as a wedding feast might argue against that as well.
Jesus is comparing the Kingdom likened to a wedding feast ---happy --joyful --comradery--and this is important to get here as free will is shown here as some of the guest are refusing to come to the feast ----

Which represents the people who refuse the Gospel of Good News -----which many do still today ---

AI

Yes, Jesus used the imagery of a wedding feast in his teaching to describe the coming kingdom. In the Gospel of Matthew, he tells a parable about a king who prepares a wedding feast for his son and sends out invitations, but the invited guests refuse to come. BibleProject says the parable is a powerful allegory for the way the kingdom of heaven is being offered and received.

Here's how Jesus uses the wedding feast as a symbol:
  • Invitation and Response:
    The king's invitation represents the gospel, which is an invitation to participate in God's kingdom. The refusal of the initially invited guests symbolizes the rejection of the gospel by some people.

  • The Kingdom of Heaven:
    Jesus likens the kingdom of heaven to a grand wedding feast, highlighting its joyous and celebratory nature.


  • Preparedness:
    The parable also emphasizes the importance of being prepared to enter the kingdom, as a guest at the wedding feast must be dressed appropriately (the "wedding garment").

  • Grace and Salvation:
    Jesus's message of the wedding feast is one of grace, as God extends an invitation to all, regardless of their initial status.
  • The Bride and the Groom:
    The marriage of the Lamb (Jesus) and the Bride (the Church) is a recurring theme in scripture, and the wedding feast imagery connects to this concept.
The parable of the wedding feast is a compelling way for Jesus to convey the truth about the kingdom, emphasizing both the invitation and the responsibility that comes with it.
 
@unsafe
IMHO AI is creating too much of a dichotomy between the Worldly and the Spiritual. I see them as quite intertwined as they are in the person of Jesus.

This is what I believe. I am aware your beliefs differ.

There is also a good argument that as a Jew, Jesus would have understood God's direction to enjoy life within the limits of God's commandments.

@Redbaron
I, too, was taught that John's Gospel is the most spiritual of the four. In recent years I have come to see it as having a higher Christology than the synoptics.
 
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