1 Corinthians 13

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Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 13 - New English Translation

The Way of Love - If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but I do not have love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith so that I can remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. If I...
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Does anyone have anything to say about this beautiful passage? We had the first part of it in church yesterday. I have never associated it with the Christmas season but why not? It definitely sits outside of calendar time.

Some of the verses were used in our wedding ceremony. And I read the entire chapter at my dad's funeral almost four years ago. It is one of my favorite passages from the bible.

Thoughts?
 
I can see a connection with the fourth candle of the Advent wreath, the candle for Love.
Some of those verses were used in our wedding, too. It is a beloved passage for sure!
 
Redbaron said:
I can see a connection with the fourth candle of the Advent wreath, the candle for Love.
Some of those verses were used in our wedding, too. It is a beloved passage for sure!
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When I heard the passage being read, I was thinking ahead to the birth of Jesus but you are so right. There is a perfect tie-in to the fourth candle in the Advent wreath.
 
The first church to which I was assigned at seminary was in a fishing village. The leader for the youth group substituted God for love in the passage. Then participants were invited to put in their own names. I try to make that last version true for me. To me it lifts up a bar for us as followers of Jesus.
 
Here is the passage from the KJV:
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Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 13 - King James Version

Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not...
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I have always been intrigued by "through a glass darkly" .

Interesting that the KJV uses the word "charity" where more contemporary translations have "love". Does this imply a giving form of love do you think? I am guessing it doesn't mean charity in the present sense of the word.
 
From Strong's Concordance
(agápē) typically refers to divine love (= what God prefers).

love; for the believer, preferring to "live through Christ" (1 Jn 4:9,10), i.e. embracing God's will (choosing His choices) and obeying them through His power. preeminently refers to what God prefers as He "is love" (1 Jn 4:8,16).(agapē).

With the believer, ("to love") means actively doing what the Lord prefers, with Him (by His power and direction).

True agape ("loving") is always defined by God – a "discriminating affection which involves choice and selection". 1 Jn 4:8,16,17 for example convey how loving is Christ living His life through the believer.

the love of God toward Christ -----

the love of Christ toward men

enkindled by the Holy Spirit

love which embraces the truth of God's word

This type of love is characterized by a commitment to the well-being of others, regardless of personal cost or reciprocation.

divine love revealed in Jesus Christ. This love transcends human emotions and is rooted in the will and character of God


I say -----This Love is a fruit of the indwelling Holy Spirit to believers ----it is a selfless ---sacrificial love that loves the unlovely --and has no boundaries - no matter what people do or say to us this Agape remains steadfast and never wavers ----it never fails like the love we have in this world ----
Agape is the Love referred to in 1 Corinthians 13

Many marriages after the Honeymoon and a few years of togetherness based on this (eros ) romantic love fail as this love is very demanding and unstable --and many fall out of loving their spouse after a time ---so this love is temporary for a lot of Folks ---they move on to the next Eros ----Romantic loving relationship ====
 
I'm sure you and Mr Strong are correct @unsafe but somehow this throws cold water on the poetry of the passage. No worries though. Glad to have you on the thread.
 
paradox3 said:
but somehow this throws cold water on the poetry of the passage
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Well I disagree that 1 Corinthians 13 presents poetry in this passage ---it may present that to some ---but seeing this as poetry in my opinion --just my view here -- does a disservice to the whole context of the passage -----this Corinthian Church was full of believers who were prideful and arrogant and Paul is telling them that having all the Spiritual gifts in the world mean Nothing if you cannot practice and put forth God's Love which is ---Agape ----

So while it is nice to maybe see this as a a wonderful flowing uplifting Poem -----talking about the romantic love we have at our weddings etc ----In context Paul is really chewing this disrespecting Church out for making a mockery of what God's Church should be acting like --Just saying ------

Just My View Here ------We like to sugar coat scripture to make it sound sweet and nice ----cause taking it rightly seems harsh and cruel and barbaric --it is a downer for us not an upper

I appreciate you allowing me to post and share my view ---- :angel: --thank you
 
We seem to have a different definition of poetry @unsafe :)

I don't think this passage is about romantic love at all so we are actually in agreement there. I think it can seem that way only because it is so often read at weddings.
 
I used it in weddings as a reminder to everyone present of the importance of this kind of relationship. I shamelessly used weddings to promote a higher level of relationships. I assume the couple will hear little of what I say as they are usually preoccupied with other thoughts like pictures and stuff. I invited everyone present to apply those standards to all of their relationships along with supporting the couple in their relationship.
 
When I read the passage at my dad's funeral I was thinking primarily of parental love. The verses about seeing God more clearly after our life here on earth were very meaningful.
 
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