Expansion of MAID delayed until after next election
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Embrace the people worried about this and help stop it. It’s harder to be hopeful when so many - maybe it those getting older and embracing their own deaths not caring about what state they leave the world in when they go, if it all goes down and there’s no love for vulnerability and they can’t see the worth in others if they have complex problems. They aren’t caring that their attitude creates a darker world for others. They don’t care that if life is so cheapened then there won’t be a future where disabled children can thrive into happy adults, instead of one where peoples’ dignity and worth is only tied to how hard and tough and resilient they are, how much money they can earn, and their mental and physical utility to support more soul crushing behaviour. No room for caring or psyche healing in a world like that. I’m trying to warn people not to accept that. Reject that kind of future. Of course I am being isolated for pointing it out. I’m not allowed to criticize, I’m just one of the rejects up against a monster of indifference. It’s the people already teetering on the edge because of indifference who’ve been left to confront that monster.
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We’re already in that world, so embrace your loved ones, warts n all, and try to leave some room for the rejects. That’s what Christmas is for.
What if people live for the joy of listening to music, spending time with friends, watching snowflakes on the window, smelling the flowers - feeling love and care around them? Chicken and white rice or not who is anyone to say that’s not meaningful?Also, just so you know, if you don’t …what you are saying about renal diet isn’t even true. Yet you were confidently projecting onto others your assumptions, as though they were certain fact, essentially saying you’d rather die if you were them - and you fail to see the problem with that apparently.
These recipes look healthy and tasty. I’d love to eat this way. Every kidney foundation I looked up has lots. No plain chicken and white rice on the menu that I can see. That is an assumption you made, probably anecdotally, that insults the lives of real people you don’t know who have things to do and joys to live for.
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BetteTheRed
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Sure, Kimmio, try to prescribe a renal diet to an elderly poor man whose diet has tended to be very unlike a healthy renal diet. They hate it, won't follow it. I've watched a couple of people go through it; it's not for the faint of heart... My Mom died of kidney failure thanks to years of a specific psycho-therapeutic drug. It's a long slow physical decline, usually with an intact mind. Nursing homes are also not great places to die.
I’m sorry to hear your mother died of kidney disease.
What I presented was not pseudo-therapeutic. And if they like bland food, your first suggestion wouldn’t be that bad. They aren’t all your mother, or elderly and picky either. Kidney disease is in the rise. My friend’s brother got it as a teenager in the 90s. People like him don’t need to hear “I’d rather die.” Get it?
I’m saying, don’t project your fears onto others and make them feel like they shouldn’t live. That’s what your pronouncements - quite arrogant in tone - do. You don’t realize the collective impact others attitudes about disabilities in the age of MAiD is having on disabled peoples’ morale. And comments like yours add to it. That’s by design. It’s social engineering. That’s why people aren’t pushing back like they should. At some point it will be inevitable - when people who supported this find that the powers that be are devaluing their lives too, they’ll be beside themselves.
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BetteTheRed
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Kimmio, you do Kimmio.
I have about 15 years on you, parents are gone, have buried two men, I hang out in a church; I know how 'going' goes.
If I am of sound mind, I'm totally entitled to off myself if it's clear it's going to end, and badly, in the foreseeable future. Some people choose it, some don't need to because death is quick and merciful.
I do not suggest or advocate for MAiD for any other human. We all have to decide. My first husband died a horrible death of esophagal cancer, begging for more chemo to save him while his oncologist was suggesting palliative sedation.
I have about 15 years on you, parents are gone, have buried two men, I hang out in a church; I know how 'going' goes.
If I am of sound mind, I'm totally entitled to off myself if it's clear it's going to end, and badly, in the foreseeable future. Some people choose it, some don't need to because death is quick and merciful.
I do not suggest or advocate for MAiD for any other human. We all have to decide. My first husband died a horrible death of esophagal cancer, begging for more chemo to save him while his oncologist was suggesting palliative sedation.
I, I, I, me… I know
You are not the only person in society going around saying “If I ever end up like ‘that’ I want to die.” It’s quite endemic but before Track 2 MAiD it was considered coercion to suicide to support the deaths of those not dying. There was an invisible layer of protection in our system from the attitudes that bring people to consider self harm, or give up on their lives due to haters. Now our system facilitates it. And just just like they wanted you to, and predicted you would, ‘you’ are being willfully ignorant to the social repercussions and trauma to marginalized people, that collective attitudes like this cause. You are entitled to your choices indeed, however ill advised. Your opinion doesn’t make state sanctioned track 2 MAiD good for society. That will be evident in the not too distant future if people refuse to see it now. It may even affect them in ways they never expected. First they came for…but I was not…
…you don’t know. You do not care enough to know what could happen or to try to prevent it. The historical precedent is staring us in the face and you still don’t know how saying “I’d rather die than have that” can harm. No matter how much death you’ve seen this is not all about you, about seniors, or about your personal experiences. This is about the existence of disabled people, and the future.
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Also, then keep your fricken “If I had that I’d want MAiD” socially violent opinions to yourself. It’s a human rights issue. I’d rather you call me the R word than say some of the high and mighty s**t you say, seriously.
Trying to change minds of some mainstream “progressive” voters on this issue is like trying to convince Trump loyalists they made a mistake, or get unsafe to reconsider her theology. I’m serious. It benefits that side of things, too. I realize you don’t, maybe can’t, see it but it does. Watch Iche Klage An, commissioned by Goebbels to educate about the same mistakes Canada has made. Talk to me when you’ve seen it.
Track 2 MAiD is the worst willful abdication of the common good in Canada in over 50 years.
Track 2 MAiD is the worst willful abdication of the common good in Canada in over 50 years.
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Repeat … to educate about the glaring parallels with recent Canadian attitude. People need to know how bad the policy they’ve allowed to expand actually is and be reminded of the geopolitical time we’re in.
It’s unacceptable for there to be an undisclosed MAiD facility in a provincial health authority HQ building. Just think about it. Think about historical precedents for such secrecy by regimes. It’s foolish not to question it now rather than later. That’s how this recent dust up started. From people defending the existence of a secretive MAiD facility (whether it’s confirmed or not people were defending it as not a problem). Shame on that.
It’s unacceptable for there to be an undisclosed MAiD facility in a provincial health authority HQ building. Just think about it. Think about historical precedents for such secrecy by regimes. It’s foolish not to question it now rather than later. That’s how this recent dust up started. From people defending the existence of a secretive MAiD facility (whether it’s confirmed or not people were defending it as not a problem). Shame on that.
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I get really frustrated because so many conversations I have with people about the dangers of MAiD track 2 reverts to horrible stories, mostly about elderly people with terminal cancer. 9/10 times I warn about track 2 people tell stories about awful endings with cancer. Everybody grieves that. But it’s as though people are using that to justify Track 2 cases - the fact that people confuse them in their minds even when they should know the difference - and that it matters to keep them straight - was also intended. It was socially engineered by a powerful lobby.
People can and do have meaningful lives with kidney disease. We shouldn’t downplay that. That’s what the powers want so that people will be in the habit and mindset to downgrade every condition eventually so it’s harder to live with and there will be no public will for supports, and diminished availability instead of better. And track 2 for mental illness is coming. I don’t think people have really considered how vastly horrible that policy is. Because other conditions aren’t mutually exclusive from mental illness. The more qualifiers they can pile on the more at risk people are. And they know which groups are most at risk already. That should be discussed in every mainstream newspaper frequently. The mainstream public are the drivers of whether or not that happens. Disabled people have already shouted from the rooftops. Even got the UN to warn about it. It’s up to the rest of the public to help change course, instead of reinforcing the attitudes that allowed it. And letting it slide or defending that undisclosed MAiD facilities are popping up isn’t helping.
I hold some kind of vain hope that people with more social capital (privilege and status) can help. They haven’t much. They've allowed it.
People can and do have meaningful lives with kidney disease. We shouldn’t downplay that. That’s what the powers want so that people will be in the habit and mindset to downgrade every condition eventually so it’s harder to live with and there will be no public will for supports, and diminished availability instead of better. And track 2 for mental illness is coming. I don’t think people have really considered how vastly horrible that policy is. Because other conditions aren’t mutually exclusive from mental illness. The more qualifiers they can pile on the more at risk people are. And they know which groups are most at risk already. That should be discussed in every mainstream newspaper frequently. The mainstream public are the drivers of whether or not that happens. Disabled people have already shouted from the rooftops. Even got the UN to warn about it. It’s up to the rest of the public to help change course, instead of reinforcing the attitudes that allowed it. And letting it slide or defending that undisclosed MAiD facilities are popping up isn’t helping.
I hold some kind of vain hope that people with more social capital (privilege and status) can help. They haven’t much. They've allowed it.
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Some folk plow on while other back off and few are intermediate and can resolve the pain without killing the topic ... isn't that mean?
The existence of this policy and the support for it is what’s existentially painful. It has been for me for 10 years, the pain only intensifying with expansion and I’ve heard the same from thousands of people. Most don’t realize how oppressive and terrifying it is for those on the margins, even without these policies. Now it feels like we’re just the frogs who’ve been in the bad policy pot the longest. Although, many do realize this and they support it anyway. Disabled people are already very oppressed in this country.
We must accept that much of life is stupid ... do we need more high level examples?
It is the base for Pete Prin. ... put it out and id'll collapse ... like fire and water ... keepers? There are those that can carry them ... may take some heat ...
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This from Glenn Beck in response to the story posted below:
Canadian Woman Approved for Assisted Suicide Instead of Getting Surgery - LifeNews.com
A Canadian woman suffering from parathyroid disease has revealed that she is considering assisted suicide because she cannot get the surgery she needs. Jolene Van Alstine, from Saskatchewan, suffers from a rare form of parathyroid disease, which results in extreme bone pain, nausea and vomiting...
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jimkenney12
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I understand what you are saying and I understand what you fear. I understand Bette the Red's position. I am bothered by your attacks on her for stating her position. I believe kust responding to her position would be more responsible.
She lives with a great deal of pain at times and maybe sees renal failure, for now, as the last straw for her.
I am concerned by the general attitude in our society that we should be able to live without pain. I am opposed to Track 2 MAiD without a tougher qualifying process for sure and, maybe, in general..
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Thank you for posting these links. The budget decisions governments make suggest they really want troublesome people with health issues to just go quietly away in the night. Disgusting.This from Glenn Beck in response to the story posted below:
Canadian Woman Approved for Assisted Suicide Instead of Getting Surgery - LifeNews.com
A Canadian woman suffering from parathyroid disease has revealed that she is considering assisted suicide because she cannot get the surgery she needs. Jolene Van Alstine, from Saskatchewan, suffers from a rare form of parathyroid disease, which results in extreme bone pain, nausea and vomiting...t.co
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I live with pain. I am unsure when/if it will go away.
The pain I live with does not make me wish to choose MAID.
What we are talking about here is not being forced to live with unacceptable pain levels.