Was Jesus a Vegetarian?

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I tend to think it is better to be vegetarian if one can remember to eat enough iron and vegetable protein. The paleo-diet people would disagree. I eat vegetarian a lot (not vegan...I eat fish, dairy, and eggs), many days I eat no meat, only soy substitute "meat" (which is getting better!) or tofu, but not exclusively all the time. I did for awhile and got bored, went back to eating meat intermittently. And eating pork, uncured, like pork chops, I have developed an aversion to. And I often forgo bacon, sandwich...hold the bacon, which is more about fat calories...but I love the taste and smell of bacon (more than ham). It's a tough call to make. Bacon is addictive...but besides being pork, it just isn't healthy. Full of fat and salt. But, I've had a couple of Jewish friends admit to me, even they love to sneak some bacon into their diet once in a blue moon.
 
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Waterfall, what is your specific evidence for tracing the fish acronym to the New Testament era? When Jesus multiplies the loaves and fishes, He approaches of a fish diet and likely eats some Himself., just as He does during His resurrection appearances. Besides, Jesus ate the Passover meal, in which the Lamb was the central symbol. There is not a shred of evidence that the fish in Gospel stories is ever merely symbolic.
 
Does Yeshua feed the plants and fest on the vision of what'sgrowed on ID as consequence ... and thus strings of log IHC?

The core or dark heart of epi stem o'logic endeavours ... in the tree metaphor!

Often unseen as a misunderstanding of the purpose of ali*ef ... a stroke of genius? Eph one looks intuit!
 
Mystic said:
Waterfall, what is your specific evidence for tracing the fish acronym to the New Testament era? When Jesus multiplies the loaves and fishes, He approaches of a fish diet and likely eats some Himself., just as He does during His resurrection appearances. Besides, Jesus ate the Passover meal, in which the Lamb was the central symbol. There is not a shred of evidence that the fish in Gospel stories is ever merely symbolic.
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It is my understanding that the fish symbol was around long before the Christian era. It symbolized different things to different people and belief systems such as Fertility, reincarnation, Christ followers, etc.....
Jews are allowed to eat fish with fins and visible scales as kosher. No shellfish and various other fish are not kosher.
Fish are not considered animals, but it is still important to prepare them in a Kosher way and not eat their blood.
I'm not sure I said that fish are merely symbolic, but I do think they are also that. Christians put these symbols on their tombs and greeted each other sometimes each person drawing one half and the other greeter drew the other half in the sand. Even today we use the symbol. (source wikipedia)
If Jesus was a vegetarian he could have been a strict one or not.
 
Waterfall said:
It is my understanding that the fish symbol was around long before the Christian era. It symbolized different things to different people and belief systems such as Fertility, reincarnation, Christ followers, etc.....
Jews are allowed to eat fish with fins and visible scales as kosher. No shellfish and various other fish are not kosher.
Fish are not considered animals, but it is still important to prepare them in a Kosher way and not eat their blood.
I'm not sure I said that fish are merely symbolic, but I do think they are also that. Christians put these symbols on their tombs and greeted each other sometimes each person drawing one half and the other greeter drew the other half in the sand. Even today we use the symbol. (source wikipedia)
If Jesus was a vegetarian he could have been a strict one or not.
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Strict one or not - which is why I suggested a flexitarian. In my mind, Jesus was a sensing feeler, so he may not have held to a hard and fast diet.
 
Are diets domoc racial things ... complexity in what is really supposed to illustrate the subtle powers of UT ope AN ... a greater concern?
 
Pr. Jae said:
Everyone always cats rich are in schools. but no one ever identifies their protectors.
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Tis a collective school ... on the fringes some are lost unless the monster swims right through it ... as betenoir ... that school had not thought of it going through ... virtually unseen ... especially by those captive ...
 
Waterfall said:
Did any or all believe in reincarnation?
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Difficult question to answer.

There is nothing in the Hebrew Scripture which stands as a clear and unvarnished claim that reincarnation is a fact. Some would go further and say there is nothing in the Hebrew Scriptures which affirms the possibility of reincarnation without serious hernemeutical gymnastics.

Then there is Kabbalah which says Jewish thinkers clearly believe certain texts point to reincarnation. And then those in Kabbaleh go on to distinguish between Jewish understandings of reincarnation over and against Buddhist understandings.

I've been thinking about it and if we play with language. I become incarnate through my birth. I will die and then at the time of God's choosing I will be raised bodily from the dead. Is that not a process of re-incarnation?

Creation - Fall - Redemption
Generate - degenerate-regenerate
Life - Death - Resurrection
Incarnation - Death - re-Incarnation

What I cannot square is the idea of a non-scorekeeping God directing the believer back to earth again and again and again until they get things right. Whether that be the gradual purging of negativity (Buddhism) or the gradual fulfillment of all 613 mitzvot.

One thing is, I think, very clear. Reincarnation, as a word, simply doesn't exist in either the Greek or Hebrew texts of scripture

Pharisees believed in the resurrection of the dead.
Saducees did not believe in the resurrection of the dead.
Essenes, which were a branch of the Pharisee movement likely believed in the resurrection of the dead.

Of the three it appears that the Essenes were probably the most extreme in their views regarding purity.

I could very well be wrong, I don't think any of these three factions championed the notion or reincarnation as it is popularly understood today if at all.
 
revjohn said:
I could very well be wrong, I don't think any of these three factions championed the notion or reincarnation as it is popularly understood today if at all.
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My studies on the subject back in the day seemed to concur with this. Some Greek schools and cults did, however, believe in it so the idea might well have been known in 1st century Palestine. It goes back to the Orphics, through the Pythagoreans, and then turns up in Plato's Republic from which Virgil then adapts it for a memorable passage in The Aeneid where Aeneas witnesses the souls that will become great Romans waiting in the underworld to return to new bodies.

Modern ideas about reincarnation are largely drawn from Eastern traditions, though. Indian traditions have believed in reincarnation going back to at least the Upanishads (forget if it appears in the earlier Vedic tradition but it might) and maybe to the Indus Valley civilization. Westerners got it mostly through Hinduism and Buddhism, esp. the latter.

Of course, if you subscribe to the whole "Jesus spent his lost years in India" theory (bizarre as it is), then reincarnation as an interpretation of the Christian message may not be that odd. IF you subscribe to it, that is.
 
Waterfall said:
Sorry I thought you were RC......why is Jesus associated with Fish as a symbol?
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One of the earliest Creeds of the Christian Church was, Jesus Christ. Son of God. Saviour. Which in Greek reads
Ο Ιησούς Χριστός Υιός του Θεού σωτήρα.

Acronym time

Ο (definite article) dropped
Ιησούς
Χριστός
του (definite article) dropped
Θεού (God takes precedence over son)
Υιός
σωτήρα

First letter of all words in the creed gives us ΙΧΘΥσ (Ichthus) which is the Greek word for fish. While Christianity was a criminal offence the image of the fish represented the creed and was a way for Christians to identify one another without giving themselves away to hostile neighbours.
 
revjohn said:
One of the earliest Creeds of the Christian Church was, Jesus Christ. Son of God. Saviour. Which in Greek reads
Ο Ιησούς Χριστός Υιός του Θεού σωτήρα.

Acronym time

Ο (definite article) dropped
Ιησούς
Χριστός
του (definite article) dropped
Θεού (God takes precedence over son)
Υιός
σωτήρα

First letter of all words in the creed gives us ΙΧΘΥσ (Ichthus) which is the Greek word for fish. While Christianity was a criminal offence the image of the fish represented the creed and was a way for Christians to identify one another without giving themselves away to hostile neighbours.
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Always knew there was something fishy about that Jesus guy. :D
 
revjohn said:
Difficult question to answer.

There is nothing in the Hebrew Scripture which stands as a clear and unvarnished claim that reincarnation is a fact. Some would go further and say there is nothing in the Hebrew Scriptures which affirms the possibility of reincarnation without serious hernemeutical gymnastics.

Then there is Kabbalah which says Jewish thinkers clearly believe certain texts point to reincarnation. And then those in Kabbaleh go on to distinguish between Jewish understandings of reincarnation over and against Buddhist understandings.

I've been thinking about it and if we play with language. I become incarnate through my birth. I will die and then at the time of God's choosing I will be raised bodily from the dead. Is that not a process of re-incarnation?

Creation - Fall - Redemption
Generate - degenerate-regenerate
Life - Death - Resurrection
Incarnation - Death - re-Incarnation

What I cannot square is the idea of a non-scorekeeping God directing the believer back to earth again and again and again until they get things right. Whether that be the gradual purging of negativity (Buddhism) or the gradual fulfillment of all 613 mitzvot.

One thing is, I think, very clear. Reincarnation, as a word, simply doesn't exist in either the Greek or Hebrew texts of scripture

Pharisees believed in the resurrection of the dead.
Saducees did not believe in the resurrection of the dead.
Essenes, which were a branch of the Pharisee movement likely believed in the resurrection of the dead.

Of the three it appears that the Essenes were probably the most extreme in their views regarding purity.

I could very well be wrong, I don't think any of these three factions championed the notion or reincarnation as it is popularly understood today if at all.
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If you are reincarnated once is that the same as resurrection? kinda? sorta?
 
I've often watched the sun come up again after resting in the dark Shadows all night ...

Could this resonate with weird reflection of just something coming back at us in the light of dais time metaphor ... hyperbolically?

LGK would probably say we have that reciprocal as it should be hypo ... unless we got the ups and downs messed up too. Then Einstein says there is no up and down in abstract domains ...

If the sun takes a dip and losses it's illuminators as attributes ... does this happen with mortal people that believe thye are bright and are not due to institutionalized belief that knowledge is evil?

Maybe it is just because they do not wish to face the truth of injuries they've caused to make piles ... hammer OIDs? These would be Zero IDs driven into submissions ... otherwise someone nailed with some offense ...
 
Now here is my next dilemma. Peter had a dream that gentiles could eat whatever they want. Peter who was considered the head of the church..in Rome? But some say James, Jesus brother was the head of the church in Jerusalem and it was testified that he was raised a vegetarian. Does it stand to reason Jesus was also raised this way?

Which makes me ask. God doesn't want the Jews to eat carnivorous animals in the beginning because its' wrong, possibly due to the effects of the flood they are then allowed to eat only herbivores. Only animals that haven't killed other animals. So why would Peter have this vision that it's okay for gentiles? Does He have less regard for gentiles? Is it really that Jesus became "our sacrifice", and Peter leads the RC's to transubstantiation for continuous re enactment of drinking a body and blood? Does this make sense when God tells the Jews it is wrong to eat animal blood?

Was Peters dream interpretation correct, because it doesn't make sense? Is our interpretation correct? because it doesn't really line up with what God says.....but it does line up with Paul and the Romans church.

It seems whether to eat meat or not, had become such an issue that Paul was forced to address it amongst Christians to stop the division....while contradicting God's word???

Then comes Constantine in the 4th century, who endorses eating any meat and punishes any Christian that disobeys. Forcing his own version of Christianity without variance....

People can contradict scripture, does God..is there anywhere God Himself tells gentiles to eat the blood?
 
Now if YeZuah was an abstract attribute to reality ... would his followers all be sheep or some be goads and others donkeys as these are often used to protect flocks of sheep. Now if Peter was a donkey ... a wolf attacking the flock might find a pain in the ass as donkeys don't think twice about biting a wolf on the ass when Peter shouted WOULFF ... but it could have been Virginian Wolf or the supposed red wolf that appears to be making a comeback as a coy dog ...

No wonder Virginia Wolff was sob ithchii ... even if they weren't afraid of her who likes a constant crab while up the stump making copious images ... in a dark pool at that as few would project or poke anything in the light of dais ... considering the critical bunch crapping on what they believe goes on between close adorations and boched sis contained in a hoes of ill repute where all the men say they find the fine line easy to cross!

Is that hairy or just another myth out 've Eire?
 
Peter's vision is about unclean animals being presented to him to eat. Peter's objection is not to being offered meat to eat so much as it is God offering him the wrong kind of meat.

The vision is repeated three times with pretty much the same script. God offers unclean animals, instructs Peter to rise, kill and eat and Peter protesting on the grounds that the meat is unclean

At the third and final run through God introduces new material. "Do not call unclean what I have made clean."

Peter awakes from the vision and what happens next?

A) he eats a hotdog wrapped in bacon
B) servants from Cornelius arrive at the house in Joppa where Peter is staying and God instructs Peter to go with them

Suggesting that the vision given to Peter was not about what the Christian could eat so much as it was about what God has made clean.
 
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