An article "The church is killing its gay kids"
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revsdd
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No argument. However, who you think is a Christian and who is a Christian may not be the same thing. As Jesus said, he won't even know many who call him Lord. That's why a dose of humility is called for before we start passing judgement on who is and who isn't. Jesus often didn't seem too pleased with those who were so sure of themselves that they claimed the right to declare others excluded.
Is this a condemnation of confidence forms, or just emotional rejection of projection of what you believed before learning different?
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airclean33
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Wrong post
revjohn
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With small minds can we understand great things ... or do we label them gross?
revjohn
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Small minds have difficulty comprehending great things.
Some marvel while others dismiss.
I suspect it is a humility thing.
Jon71 -----
There is only one question for you ----Do you believe God's word about the fall of mankind -----all other groups are in the Bible if you want to look ---Here is one ---- Perversity--which is listed under INIQUITY -- Leviticous 18 ---LISTS all sexual rules here is an example verse 23 ---AMP V ----18:23 Neither shall you lie with any beast and defile yourself with it; neither shall any woman yield herself to a beast to lie with it; it is confusion, perversion, {and} degradedly carnal. --- Verse 22 just above--- is this 18:22 You shall not lie with a man as with a woman; it is an abomination----I believe God's word and the passing down of iniquity ----If you DON'T then you will believe that the 2 verses above have not negative meaning and or they are not relevant today and will say it is a blessing f rom God ----I believe different ----.----obviously you did not read and probably won't read this -
http://www.greatbiblestudy.com/generational_curses.php --------
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Have you ever seen a family where the father has a problem with uncontrollable anger, his son seems to have been 'handed it', and the grandpa had the same problem? Or have you noticed that not only do you suffer from something such as persistent irrational fears or depression, but your mother and her father also suffered from it as well? There are many people today who are living under bondage that the sins of their forefathers has brought them under.
Exodus 34:7, "Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting (punishing) the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation."
Some common symptoms of generational curses are family illnesses that seem to just walk from one person down to the next (cancer is a common physical manifestation of a spiritual bondage), continual financial difficulties (they continually hit roadblocks in their finances), mental problems, persistent irrational fears and depression. Anything that seems to be a persistent struggle or problem that was handed down from one generation to another may very well be a generational curse.
So what you want to believe is a personal choice ------you can discard all this all you want to and say it is rubbish ----it makes no difference to me I believe the Nature of the sin Iniquity can be and is passed on ----I am OK with your belief ---you don't seem to be OK with my belief -----
Under Iniquity ---is perversity----and depravity ---
Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew Lexicon: /
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1) perversity, depravity, iniquity, guilt or punishment of iniquity
1a) iniquity
1b) guilt of iniquity, guilt (as great), guilt (of condition)
1c) consequence of or punishment for iniquity
Part of Speech:noun masculine
Relation:from H5753
Let me answer your last statement first, I'm genuinely not even sure what your beliefs are. Your last one seemed to contradict previous ones but I wondered if maybe I missed something or misunderstood something. I will confess I tend to skim your posts because they seem just this side of word salad sometimes. I think we must come from different church backgrounds and I'm reluctant to even guess what you mean by "fall of mankind". If you're asking do I believe that Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit and that's why we're not in the garden of Eden anymore then yes I believe that.
As for homosexuality being an abomination that's unbiblical. The word that is sometime translated as "abomination" is the same word used to describe eating shellfish. Funny that other than to make a point ironically I've never known anyone to protest outside of a Red Lobster. I've had shellfish numerous times in my life so I guess I'm a pretty hard core abomination myself. Somehow I can live with that.
You're trying to put some hateful words in God's mouth. I think you're flirting with blasphemy in doing so.
airclean33
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--Hi Jon71--I have a belief That those who won't except GODS Word The Bible. Are really not Christian. You should read more of how santan , tried Jesus The Christ. Please notice how Jesus spoke to satan ,by the Word" you don't believe in.Even satan it would seem believed by what he was saying , in GODS Word.
chansen
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I like to think that, in terms of blasphemy, AC33 may be flirting with her, but she and I went a lot farther.
BetteTheRed
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It's nice, dear, that you have your very own definition of Christian. I have my very own definition of Idiot, AC33.
Now, if you wouldn't mind, please, define this "Satan" demi-god in your little pantheon of polytheism, would you?
I know the metaphor as Ha-Shatan, the Adversary, the one who conjures duality, when the reality is continuum and unity.
airclean33
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--After such a nice post Bette . I would be more than pleased to try and help you understand.
There was an Angel in Heaven . By name Lucifer, he wanted to be GOD.He was one of GODS Sons. So war started . he was cast out of heaven . Is now on earth.. Taken from the K. J. V
Isa 14:12
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
I hope this help"s you Bette.T.R--airclean33
BetteTheRed
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It doesn't, actually, AC33. I can find you plenty of orthodox commentary that indicates that there is no shift between the real King, the King of Babylon, being referenced in 14:4 and this imaginary figure that you figure exists a few short and related verses later. Context.