An article "The church is killing its gay kids"

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Luce NDs said:
Thus they sanc out of sight of the haute handed ...

Developing depth in the parable ... missed by the superficial powers ... jude'n or Judi'n on the surface ovate!

Standing ovation at the end? This is parallel to ET ... who's gone hommoe ... Gae-Ls of laughter after escaping a stoic kingdom ... allows for freedom of MO ... and space where you don't upset theo-ther ...
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Never tell the truth about parables ... authority doesn't like the truth ... too revealing ... thus rye humus ... aum-Rs?
 
Was reading this morning via Twitter that sexual orientation is being increasingly seen as fluid, rather than as a dichotomy.
 
Pr. Jae said:
I love 1 Corinthians 6:9-11. It's a wonderful few verses when used in proper context. Not that it gives an example of Jesus healing someone from being gay during his earthly ministry

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Hi Pr Jae --It could be you also may enjoy my morning reading.
John 17:17
(17) Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.
New King James Version

Do you believe your words are Jae? Did He die on the cross , so that those who come to Him could be Healed? Change it to (saved) if you want , By His Stripes we are Healed.There is no doubt He died for all those, that would come.
 
airclean33 said:
Hi Pr Jae --It could be you also may enjoy my morning reading.
John 17:17
(17) Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.
New King James Version

Do you believe your words are Jae? Did He die on the cross , so that those who come to Him could be Healed? Change it to (saved) if you want , By His Stripes we are Healed.There is no doubt He died for all those, that would come.
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Do I believe my words are - what? I believe he died on the cross as the ultimate act of repentance for human sin. I believe that all to whom God gives saving faith will be saved. I believe that we are each born enslaved to sin, and therefore God must act first - no one will just come to him on their own.
 
BetteTheRed said:
Why do you think that the passage refers to gay people? I'm not sure what you think a sexual pervert is, but in my mind, it has a lot to do with consent (hint: children, critters, the developmentally handicapped, the unconscious, cannot consent). There are two words in there that need translating: the greek word arsenokoites, appears to have been coined by Paul, has been translated to mean a number of things, "abusers of oneself with mankind" among them. The other word in the passage, malakos means "soft" and is often translated as "effeminate". Which rather contradicts your position that it's okay to be gay, but not to act on it. We keep on coming back to this airclean, in our conversations: the problems of translation. I'll give you a hint as to how I deal with translation issues: I err on the side of loving, and kind.
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Hi BetteTheRed--And what do you get when you read what was said with one man laying with another as with a women? Or two woman laying together as with a Man?In Sodom when they shout send out the men that we may know them, they just wanted to shake hands?
 
Pr. Jae said:
Was reading this morning via Twitter that sexual orientation is being increasingly seen as fluid, rather than as a dichotomy.
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Of course ... nor is it surprising .....
Gender identity is also this way....
Most are very firm on one position and some wander to various extents.
 
Pr. Jae said:
Do I believe my words are - what? I believe he died on the cross as the ultimate act of repentance for human sin. I believe that all to whom God gives saving faith will be saved. I believe that we are each born enslaved to sin, and therefore God must act first - no one will just come to him on their own

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-You last verse here Jae, they don't have to journey to Him . He came out of Heaven and came to us.For GOD So Love The World. All The World has to know, is how we and them can except Christ. Is that what your teaching Jae? John 3: 16-21? Christ save"s not me ,not you. I can only point The Way. I believe GOD is working with each and everyone that is born into this world. An will till the day they leave it. The first 6 words GOD speaks in John 3: 16 pretty well, said"s it all.
 
BetteTheRed said:
I'll give you a hint as to how I deal with translation issues: I err on the side of loving, and kind.
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Hi Bette,

That sounds really nice.

So you are the best Korean translator we have and you are relating to Stephen Harper what Kim says. They are having a heated argument thru you over the phone and Kim has a dialect a bit unfamiliar. Suddenly Kim shreeks, that's it, I just pressed the button. You can expect delivery of 500...

Hmmm, that word... In one region of North Korea, it means really good large pizzas, in some other regions, it means 1000 megaton nuclear missiles.

...in twenty minutes.

You get a big smile, all' good, Stephen, he's sending us pizza.

I think it is wise to try to figure out the intent of the writer. Of course there was love and kindness in that scripture. Jesus saves sinners.
 
airclean33 said:
Hi Blackbelt --I would share my morning teaching with you Brother.

John 17:17
(17) Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.
New King James Version
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Thank you I love the Truth Aircleen , that's why im a believer, I also love all of Gods arbitrates as-well

1 Corinthians 15:10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without effect. No, I worked harder than all of them--yet not I, but the grace of God that was with me.

God has dealt with His Judgement problem on the Cross
 
airclean33 said:
Hi BetteTheRed--And what do you get when you read what was said with one man laying with another as with a women? Or two woman laying together as with a Man?In Sodom when they shout send out the men that we may know them, they just wanted to shake hands?
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Right, and Lot refuses them, offering them his virgin daughters to rape instead. Who looks bad here?

(Also, there's no Old Testament prohibition against two women being together; Orthodox Jewish scholars rely on a bit in the Babylonian Talmud prohibiting "frottage")
 
airclean33 said:
-You last verse here Jae, they don't have to journey to Him . He came out of Heaven and came to us.For GOD So Love The World. All The World has to know, is how we and them can except Christ. Is that what your teaching Jae? John 3: 16-21? Christ save"s not me ,not you. I can only point The Way. I believe GOD is working with each and everyone that is born into this world. An will till the day they leave it. The first 6 words GOD speaks in John 3: 16 pretty well, said"s it all.
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God brings sinners unto himself to redeem them. On a human level that may look like people journeying to Jesus. What's ultimately important is what God does to save us.
 
RitaTG said:
airclean ..... I also invite you to comment on the lack of success of Exodus International.
They espoused a view of scripture very similar to yours....
Why was is such a staggering failure???? .... Was scripture not strong enough?
What was their flaw???
I would be very interested to know your thoughts because this was a ministry that tried to do it your way

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---Hi RitaTG--I don't really know much about Exodus International . I understand it was formed by a number of Denominations. At this time that may not have been a good think. As Christian church"s of different Denominations don't often get along well today. They don't understand The Church is all of them with Christ as The Head. We have one leader and one GOD.The Church will lean this soon.That could have one problem.
Another all Denomination are not in agreement on the infill of GODS Holy Spirit. As I said at the start , I don't know that much about them. So have tryed to guess by knowing how some church"s work.
 
Airclean: "Well, it didn't work because it was ecumenical. Wait, that can't be right, it's just a guess."

There's an old adage that suggests that silence is golden. Given the 'quality' of your arguments (which are largely basically nasty personal opinions), you might want to consider reducing your number of posts.
 
BetteTheRed said:
Right, and Lot refuses them, offering them his virgin daughters to rape instead. Who looks bad here?

(Also, there's no Old Testament prohibition against two women being together; Orthodox Jewish scholars rely on a bit in the Babylonian Talmud prohibiting "frottage")
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--Please remember it was Lot who thought of that. It looks like he thought for them to have sex with a women . Was not as bad in GODS eyes, as having sex with another man.
 
airclean33 said:
--Please remember it was Lot who thought of that. It looks like he thought for them to have sex with a women . Was not as bad in GODS eyes, as having sex with another man.
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and this happen when ? Before Gods Grace, before Jesus died for you,,,,

Why does the Church forget that we now a days are blessed we live after Christ death, we all have issues brother

give it up
 
BetteTheRed said:
Airclean: "Well, it didn't work because it was ecumenical. Wait, that can't be right, it's just a guess."

There's an old adage that suggests that silence is golden. Given the 'quality' of your arguments (which are largely basically nasty personal opinions), you might want to consider reducing your number of posts.
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I was asked for my opinion Bette by RitaTG. So I gave it RitaTG.

Who asked for yours? I would bet you would like to see me post less.:rolleyes:
 
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