Glenn Beck ----- I Encountered EVIL Like I Never Felt Before

[Jaebius]

That's really where the problem with a doctrine of absolute forgiveness fails. Someone hits me. I forgive them. They hit me again. I forgive them. Where's the part where they stop hitting me? Will they forgive me if I respond with a flying kick to the solar plexus or a 911 call that lands them in jail?

God, Mendalla, has ordained family discipline. Church discipline! CIVIL AUTHORITIES!

Forgive those who harm you. Don't nurture hatred. Don't seek revenge. Call the police if a crime's being committed. Press charges. Set boundaries! LEAVE UNSAFE SITUATIONS!

Those are appropriate responses to ongoing evil.

A 119 call's closer to biblical justice than a flying kick to the solar plexus

 

[Waterfalls]

A couple years back I read Danya Ruttenberg's book about repentance from a Jewish perspective (she is a rabbi). I found in many ways it was more helpful than the Christian ethic of "keep forgiving". How do we (or should we) forgive if there is no repentance? HOw do we forgive and avoid future harm?

I might just pick up that book...."On Repentance and Repair"

 

[unsafe]

There is a condition that they must repent....so not unconditional grace.

Waterfall -----grace is the unearned, free, and loving favor of God extended to humanity.

Repentance is God's Free Graced gift to Humanity ------

God didn't Need to give us Repentance -----we deserve His Wrath not Repentance but out of Hid Mercy ---Grace ---He allowed us to aquire REPENTANCE -----

Sinners ---(Unbelievers )---do not Repent of their Sins ----their Heart is hardened to Repent of their sins -----they feel there is no need to Repent as they Follow the god of this world -----

God the Father knows your Heart and He knows when your Heart is Ready to be Changed from a Hardened Heart to a Soft Heart to realize you need to Repent -----

Repentance is a MIND CHANGE -------

First step is a Heart Change by God the Father ----Second step is Repentance -----Realize your a sinner who needs a Saviour -----

Matthew 18:15​

If Your Brother Sins Against You​

15 “If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother.


Your Luke 17 -------

Jesus is teaching His Disciples --Believers -- on what to do if a Brother or Sister in Christ -------misses the Mark ------they are to Rebuke the Sin -NOT THE PERSON ---and leave them to reflect on thie Sin and REPENT OF IT ------and once they REPENT --FORGIVENESS is Expected

REPENTANCE opens the DOOR to Saving Grace through Saving Faith --------

What role does repentance play in receiving God's grace, as seen in 1 Kings 20:32?

Role of repentance in God's grace?

• Genuine repentance doesn’t earn grace; it positions the heart to receive what only God can give.
Defining True Repentance
1. Recognition of sin (Psalm 51:3).

2. God-centered sorrow, not mere regret (2 Corinthians 7:10).

3. Confession with the mouth (1 John 1:9).

4. Turning from sin toward obedience (Acts 26:20).

5. Reliance on God’s character, not personal merit (Luke 18:13).

Applying the Truth Today
• Grace remains God’s free gift, yet He requires a repentant posture to receive it.

• External signs (apology, restitution, changed habits) matter only if they mirror an internal turning.

Key Takeaways
• Repentance is the God-ordained gateway to grace.

• Humility attracts divine favor; pride repels it.

• Outward acts must express genuine inner change.

• God’s readiness to forgive surpasses every sinner’s need when repentance is real.

 

[Luce NDs]

In the story of failed reality is an escape into the mystery of a great learning ... and giving up on the materials until just essence ...

Sometimes real people cannot be satisfied until they feel they taken it all ... everything's been trumped? Leaves an essence doesn't it ... I cannot define it ...

 

[GordW]

Are you speaking of Verses 3and 4??? If so what problem do you see with what it is saying ---

3 So watch yourselves.
“If your brother or sister[a] sins against you, rebuke them; and if they repent, forgive them.

4 Even if they sin against you seven times in a day and seven times come back to you saying ‘I repent,’ you must forgive them.”

A repeat offenderr is not actually offering repentance though. Do empty words demand forgiveness?

 

[Mendalla]

If they are truly repentant after the first time, the other six should not happen. So I would argue this is just bad Biblical advice. If they've "repented" and repeated even twice, that makes it clear forgiveness is not deserved, let alone seven times.

 

[Jaebius]

If they are truly repentant after the first time, the other six should not happen. So I would argue this is just bad Biblical advice. If they've "repented" and repeated even twice, that makes it clear forgiveness is not deserved, let alone seven times.

If forgiveness depended on perfect follow-through after the first apology, Mendalla, none of us could stand before God.

The standard's the mercy we've received.

I've had to be forgiven for the same failures more than once. I'm grateful God didn't decide my repeated struggles proved my repentance was fake.

That humility makes it harder for me to draw a hard line where Christ chose to stress grace