Receiving the Holy Spirit - John 20:19-23 and Acts 2

[BetteTheRed]

I never would say "this is the true meaning" of any Scripture passage since that is a nonsensical phrase suggesting there is one 'true' meaning. I have preached on the various flavours of the fruit of the spirit either alone or in conjunction with passages like "by their fruits you shall know them" and as alway the preaching task is based on the question "what ware these ancient texts saying to us today?" the answer might not bd the same every time.

I would say that a true test of the fruits of the Spirit is "how 'they' make you feel". It is an old, and maybe true adage that people care less about what you say than how you make them feel.

 

[Luce NDs]

I would say that a true test of the fruits of the Spirit is "how 'they' make you feel". It is an old, and maybe true adage that people care less about what you say than how you make them feel.

Thus one old philosopher declared the makings of religion when feeling and thought were separated and caused self elimination when there were excess divides ... never think without care in ... she's critcal ... especially about bad thoughts. One has to learn the difference ... why the folly of humanity as mankind ... kind 've like that! vast metaphysics ... metaphorically? Tis a grand etude ... you have to get out to observe ... just a peak (^) sensation?

Thats a Nin Yah in another expression ... where 1 of yah isn't ... is an incarnation ... nothing like it when it is gone as a thorny issue ... an upright point of sort ... instigation for rising son ... dark foboding myths of men doing as they please without reining in? Resistance ...

 

[Jaebius]

I would say that a true test of the fruits of the Spirit is "how 'they' make you feel". It is an old, and maybe true adage that people care less about what you say than how you make them feel.

This often holds true when it comes to sermons

 

[Luce NDs]

There's a thing brewed here in Fredericton called FEELS GOOD ... often too much of the same thing has implications ... to no end!

It may settle to the core ...

 

[unsafe]

So lets have a look at Spiritual peace which is a fruit of the indwelling Holy Spirit to the Believer -Folks ------

Strong's Concordance
Lexical Summary
eiréné: Peace

KJV: one, peace, quietness, rest

the Messiah's peace: Luke 2:14; ὁδός εἰρήνης, the way that leads to peace (salvation )

Overview
εἰρήνη describes wholeness, harmony, and well-being granted by God and experienced among His people.

Cultivate the fruit of peace (Galatians 5:22) through Scripture meditation and Spirit-led obedience.


I say -----so what GORW is Saying Contradicts what God Word Says and what Strong's is saying ---as there is a True Spiritual meaning of Peace according to Scripture and Strong's


So we have free will to choose ----who we want to believe ----GordW version or God's version ----

Is GordW ----God who can say there is no true Meaning to the Fruits of the Spirit ----NO

Is it OK for GordW to Have a personal worldly opinion about the nature of the Fruit of the Spirit ----YES

Is it OK for a Minister who has taken an oath to Preach the Word of God and who claims to be a True Christian to preach What they think in their own minds about the Fruit of the Spirit to their flock who Rely on Getting the Spiritual truth from their Trusted Minister -------I wouldn't think so -----just saying

I say ===Is It OK for God's Spiritual Truth to be different every time it is Preached or is God's Spiritual Truth always consistently the same ------

Bible says ---God doesn't change His mind --Folks ---His Truth is the same every time

He says this in his post -----

Quoting GordW here

I never would say "this is the true meaning" of any Scripture passage----

as alway the preaching task is based on the question "what ware these ancient texts saying to us today?" the answer might not bd the same every time.


Continuing here with Strong's Concordance

Old Testament and Jewish Background

The Septuagint regularly uses εἰρήνη to translate Hebrew shalom, a word that embraces completeness, prosperity, and relational harmony with God.

Peace with God: The Fruit of Justification

Salvation establishes objective reconciliation with God. “Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ” (Romans 5:1).

This peace frees the conscience from condemnation (Romans 8:1, 6) and removes the enmity described in Romans 3:17.


Peace within the Heart: The Gift of Christ

Jesus bequeaths an inward calm immune to external turmoil: “Peace I leave with you; My peace I give you… Do not let your hearts be troubled” (John 14:27).

The Spirit applies this reality so that “the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus” (Philippians 4:7).

Individual believers are therefore called to “pursue righteousness, faith, love, and peace” (2 Timothy 2:22).


I say and Question ----if you don't have the Gift of Christ indwelling in you ---then you don't have that Spiritual peace in your heart and mind Folks -----Your peace is worldly and that peace will fail you folks in times of trouble -----

Be Honest with yourselves ------

Believe God Folks NOT Flawed MANKIND -------

 

[unsafe]

This often holds true when it comes to sermons

My View

Ya I Agree -----with this ----and the reason I agree is that Most Ministers have not Cultivated the Spiritual fruits in their own Lives so it is preached as feelings not as actual Personal Spiritual experiences ---

Which in my mind is sad -----Can't truly Preach what you have not Experienced yourself ===

Good Preaching goes along with what you have Spiritually experienced yourself -----

From Strong's
Cultivate the fruit of peace (Galatians 5:22) through Scripture meditation and Spirit-led obedience.