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Can there be anything true on this side of the line of division (said to be divine) that defines the corruption that is potential with power ... exhausting I say!
What's exhausting? If you can't observe it something is obscured ... is that a blocked quality? Writer's or wrong erst ... free choice it is say ad, sad as up the bippy and there is little to alter ... because all things change even the hole ist IHC!
A word here and there ... drops out ... delinquent! Eventually one disappears if peering into a large collective word system ... it assimilated the character ... difficult to grasp by an anonymous group that is locked into a difficult spot ... that's life as it is ... painful really when you see the conflicted portions!
GordW
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Just another reminder that there is no "one right way" or "one true way" to read and interpret any passage of Scripture.
Also a reminder that this whole discussion of Isaiah 53 has been supersessionist and entirely disrespectful of another tradition based on claims tghat one tradition is "the only true way" to understand how God is active in the world.
chansen
Had a point all along
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"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
I feel like a mechanic opening the hood and telling the customer, "Well there's your problem..."
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Beat me to it. And we have identified such discussion as being out of keeping with our values. I think we even mention supercessionism as an example.
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GordW there is only one right way to view Spiritually the Scripture and that is through the indwelling Holy Spirit ---who is God and who is the only one who can give anyone the true Spiritual meaning of what the Scripture is really saying ------
All unbelievers can do is use their intellectual human mind and get the worldly view of scripture which is not the true meaning of the scripture ====and then twist the scripture to suit their own agenda --In the Churches today this is mostly what is happening -----
And if you or others think that you can discern the true meaning of Scripture through your worldly lens ---you are all just deceiving yourselves and it also shows the disbelief in what God says in this word -----which is all the disciples of Jesus Christ had the indwelling of the Holy Spirit -----you can't preach Spiritual meaning scripture without the indwelling of the Holy Spirit ---Period ---and that is according to Scripture ----
You all can ague till the cows come home but you will all only get what your intellectual mind takes away from the Logos word --not the Rhema word ----
Well GordW ---the Scripture clearly states that there is only one TRUE way to understand how God is Active in the world today -----so it seems you disbelieve the Scripture and believe what you yourself want to believe --and your not alone ----- there are many Ministers today who think that way as well -----
I say ----So sad
unsafe
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There are 2 sets of values -----Worldly and Spiritual -----so again 2 lens to view values from ----
In a rigid set of rules and statues ... does a person become a stone and thus material that can support a pool of water, earth and all that might warm within the reaction ... causing process and production of complexities like a human? Magi ... from "c" das delight!
Many people in essence have trouble with spirit and believe what they are not ... they are something else ... maybe incarnate projection!
This may identify an idea about Plato's shadow-casting ... qualm, or question? Word is a huge complex that too is uncertain and unknown ... however some folk even believe the rainbow touches down on the water closet! John -on-the-spot?
John is a convoluted word ... pay attention to the pretentions stretched around ide ...
Many people in essence have trouble with spirit and believe what they are not ... they are something else ... maybe incarnate projection!
This may identify an idea about Plato's shadow-casting ... qualm, or question? Word is a huge complex that too is uncertain and unknown ... however some folk even believe the rainbow touches down on the water closet! John -on-the-spot?
John is a convoluted word ... pay attention to the pretentions stretched around ide ...
chansen
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Clearly, thinking is a mistake.
Thoughtful, humble Christians will be forever fighting the bible and the stupid, self-centred people who read it plainly. Because a plaid reading leads to some horrible beliefs. It makes stupid people happy that they are right and smart people are wrong. It gives rise to anti-intellectualism that is all the rage with MAGA and other right-wing movements.
Christianity has a stupidity problem that was created by the bible and you can't ever change that.
Some philosopher once said: "war is the failure of mankind's thinking".
If we were thinking would we detail the cost better?
Nah ... thinking is a pain when you can follow stone laws and loss of whatever... Sophia Pistis ... roughly translated that is wisdom belief!
I was taught in religion classes that wisdom (philosophy was crap) ... questionable? Appears so ... in Stonehenge it is said there are bad projections under particular conditions.
If we were thinking would we detail the cost better?
Nah ... thinking is a pain when you can follow stone laws and loss of whatever... Sophia Pistis ... roughly translated that is wisdom belief!
I was taught in religion classes that wisdom (philosophy was crap) ... questionable? Appears so ... in Stonehenge it is said there are bad projections under particular conditions.
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This is my take on it. Jesus came along in human history, a Torah observing Jew who wanted to build on his faith tradition. In some cases, he challenged its teachings. In other cases he expanded on those teachings and took them further.
He also had an apocalyptic bent to him, as did other groups of Jews. He was charismatic in his appeal and possessed the gift of healing.
What to make of this guy?
Where else to look but the Hebrew Scriptures??? Who cares if they represent many different ideas?
Mush them altogether and voila! Christian theology and a new textbook.
He also had an apocalyptic bent to him, as did other groups of Jews. He was charismatic in his appeal and possessed the gift of healing.
What to make of this guy?
Where else to look but the Hebrew Scriptures??? Who cares if they represent many different ideas?
Mush them altogether and voila! Christian theology and a new textbook.
Nobody is going to pour truth into your brain ... it is something you have to find yourself ... gentle now because it is a fragile place where it hides out!
Then all these people believe they must be brute about it even though the bible references the lessor ... a humble projection?
Then all these people believe they must be brute about it even though the bible references the lessor ... a humble projection?
chansen
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It's easier to be told what to believe than it is to figure it out yourself. Outsourcing your thinking is a huge timesaver.
This isn't a uniquely Christian problem, but it is a common problem in Christianity. We've seen plenty of examples come and go at WC2. Unsafe is just the Last Comic Standing, as it were.
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The Old Testament ------Folks ---- is Jesus Concealed ------The New Testament is Jesus Revealed ----the Jewish Nation was God's vessel that He used to bring about His Son into this Physical world and bring in the 613 laws -that they couldn't keep ----cause they had a sin Nature ---like the rest of us ---and had to atone for their sins once a year for God to be near them -----all sin separates us from God --Folks -----and that is the TRUTH -----
The Israelite's played a big part in the Old Testament but the main Focus was the Coming of the Messiah ---From Genesis to Revelation -----
Many have this concept that the the first 5 books of the Bible were written for the Jews only and they have exclusive rights to these Books -----this is a misconception ----the Jewish laws were given to bring them to understand the needed a Saviour which was the Coming future Messiah -----so while the Jewish Nation was God's Chosen people ---God's main focus was to bring His Son to straighten out what Adam did in the Garden and Bring back eternal life to the Jewish Nation first then the Gentiles ------as the Fall brought in eternal death to all human creation-----the 2nd death was at hand for all ----
AI
The Old Testament is Christ-centered. The narrative focuses on Israel as the chosen vessel to preserve God's law, highlight human flaw, and bring the Messiah into the world
The Old Testament points to Christ in several key ways:
Messianic Prophecy: It contains hundreds of prophecies detailing the lineage, birth, suffering, and reign of the Messiah.
Types and Shadows: The people, events, and rituals of Israel (such as the Passover Lamb, the Temple, and the Levitical priesthood) are seen as "shadows" that find their ultimate reality and fulfillment in Jesus
The Faithful Israel: Where the nation of Israel repeatedly failed to uphold its covenant with God, Jesus is viewed as the "true Israel"—the perfectly obedient Son who succeeded where the nation failed.
Jesus Himself affirmed this focus, stating that the Law, Prophets, and Psalms were written about Him.
Therefore, while the historical setting is deeply rooted in Israel, the overarching message of the Old Testament centers on God's redemptive plan through Christ.
The Israelite's played a big part in the Old Testament but the main Focus was the Coming of the Messiah ---From Genesis to Revelation -----
Many have this concept that the the first 5 books of the Bible were written for the Jews only and they have exclusive rights to these Books -----this is a misconception ----the Jewish laws were given to bring them to understand the needed a Saviour which was the Coming future Messiah -----so while the Jewish Nation was God's Chosen people ---God's main focus was to bring His Son to straighten out what Adam did in the Garden and Bring back eternal life to the Jewish Nation first then the Gentiles ------as the Fall brought in eternal death to all human creation-----the 2nd death was at hand for all ----
AI
The Old Testament is Christ-centered. The narrative focuses on Israel as the chosen vessel to preserve God's law, highlight human flaw, and bring the Messiah into the world
The Old Testament points to Christ in several key ways:
Messianic Prophecy: It contains hundreds of prophecies detailing the lineage, birth, suffering, and reign of the Messiah.
Types and Shadows: The people, events, and rituals of Israel (such as the Passover Lamb, the Temple, and the Levitical priesthood) are seen as "shadows" that find their ultimate reality and fulfillment in Jesus
The Faithful Israel: Where the nation of Israel repeatedly failed to uphold its covenant with God, Jesus is viewed as the "true Israel"—the perfectly obedient Son who succeeded where the nation failed.
Jesus Himself affirmed this focus, stating that the Law, Prophets, and Psalms were written about Him.
Therefore, while the historical setting is deeply rooted in Israel, the overarching message of the Old Testament centers on God's redemptive plan through Christ.
unsafe
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I think God Cares ---as He wants all people to Have Eternal Life not the 2nd death -----all the intellectual worldly ideas that are being Preached in the Churches today are sending people to their Doom ----People who use the word Christ--ian should care in my view -----
The scripture Clearly says there is ONE DOOR to reside in the Holy City -----so all who claim to be Christians should pointing and wanting others to go through the ONE RIGHT DOOR ---otherwise your not a Christian ---your a pretend Christian who doesn't care about the One Right Door ==who says any door will do ----
Good luck with that concept when one dies -----
