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Are you saying you’re considering it, then? lol
paradox3
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The estimate of 5% seems low to me as well. My guess wouldn't be a great deal higher though. Maybe 10-15%.
The book says give 10% thus the curse! It resembles a baffle ... if you are looking in from out there through a kind of meme brane?
Brane/emotional divide to separate thought from the fey, fickle and disordered irrationality? Untouchable item of contention? Thus Don Neigh brook ...
Brane/emotional divide to separate thought from the fey, fickle and disordered irrationality? Untouchable item of contention? Thus Don Neigh brook ...
I had a talk with someone (relative) a couple weeks ago, who knows I don't believe that Jesus was God, a son of God yes, but not God and not in the traditional sense. I believe Jesus is worth following and so I try. I do believe in God.
She wanted to know why I would participate in communion and did I know that I'm not a " real Christian". Suggesting I'm more of a an atheist than Christian. Hmmm....is that true?
She wanted to know why I would participate in communion and did I know that I'm not a " real Christian". Suggesting I'm more of a an atheist than Christian. Hmmm....is that true?
Mendalla
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Not having a high Christology is not the definition of "atheist".
This is all that is necessary to say you are not an atheist. Many people believe in God without having a high, or even any, Christology. A pagan worshipping the Norse pantheon is not an atheist, just a different flavour of theist (polytheist instead of monotheist).
I figured that too, but they were very insistent that I shouldn't take communion, where I have my own conversation with God, or sometimes I don't participate when the church asks you to come to the front, rather I prefer when you're asked to remain in the pew to partake.
The weird thing I've noticed is that alot of Christians insist you absolutely have to believe in Jesus being God and not that there is only one God. I believe Mark, Luke and Mathew agree with my thoughts, not so much John.
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Mendalla
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That's kind of been my take for a long time. If the person themselves can in good conscience say, "I am a Christian" and elucidate some kind of rationale for why they use that label, that should be good enough. Christianity is now so broad and diverse, I don't think there is any point to gatekeeping the label "Christian". Otherwise you just have endless flamewars over who is and is not "Christian".
chansen
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I'm available by Zoom if you want to really freak her out.
KayTheCurler
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Other people shouldn't be judging you.
In my opinion - much of this discussion is just opinion. We all have them. We need to avoid negative sharing of them. We need to accept that our opinions change over the years .
paradox3
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Agree. Whether or not anyone partakes of the wine & bread is really nobody else's business.
Very true. But if we had no opinions, we would have nothing very much to discuss.
If the national church wants to involve its members in discerning the way forward, it needs to be ready for opinions.
Yes and yes.
KayTheCurler
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Yup. I enjoy hearing other peoples' opinions.
Churches seem to )and get problens lose members) when 'someone' is in charge and starts creating rules and regulations.
Mendalla
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That's how the church has been for a long time, though. Prior to the reformation, most of Christianity was hierarchical, the West somewhat moreso than the East. Popes, patriarchs, bishops, priests holding all the power and all the cards and making the rules. Really kicked in with Constantine but was starting to gel even before that. Post-Reformation, at least in the myriad Protestant churches, the hierarchies became more decentralized and nowadays, you are as likely to be dealing with a congregational hierarchy and rules as anything on a broad scale. Or something looser like the United Church's old GC-Conference-Presbytery-Congregation hierarchy which was as much about division of responsibilities as layers of power. Each level could really have it's own hierarchy of power independent of the other levels.
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Well 1 Corinthians lays out the protocol for taking communion and there is a warning if you take Communion in an unworthy manner ---now we don't have to believe what the Scripture says -----but you can't change what the Scripture says if you do take communion in an unworthy manner -----
So what does this word unworthy manner actually mean -----
Lexical Summary
anaxiós: Unworthy, not deserving
ἀναξίως, adverb (from Sophicles down), in an unworthy manner: 1 Corinthians 11:27, and 1 Corinthians 11:29
The Lord’s Supper and Covenant Fidelity
1. Participation in the Supper visibly identifies the believer with the atoning death of Christ (1 Corinthians 11:26).
2. To partake “unworthily” contradicts that testimony and incurs covenant liability (“guilty of the body and blood”).
Ethical and Spiritual Implications
• Reverence: The ordinance is no ordinary meal but a proclamation of the crucified Lord.
Holiness: Approaching the Table with unrepentant sin disregards the holiness of God and the cost of redemption.
Worthy walk (Ephesians 4:1; Philippians 1:27).
• Reverence before holy things (Exodus 3:5; Ecclesiastes 5:1).
• Divine discipline for covenant people (Hebrews 12:5-11).
• Self-examination (Lamentations 3:40; 2 Corinthians 13:5).
Summary
ἀναξίως calls the church to approach the Lord’s Supper with repentant faith, love for the body of Christ, and reverence for the crucified Lord.
I say -----this is your quote from above Waterfall ---------
I don't believe that Jesus was God, a son of God yes, but not God and not in the traditional sense. I believe Jesus is worth following and so I try.
So you partaking the the Lord's supper ---Communion ---with your belief here----- are you not partaking it an undeserving Manner ? ---you don't believe Jesus is the Second person of the Trinity ----3 persons --ON GOD -----
Jesus clearly says ----I and the Father are ONE ----One God
This is the Scripture here-----and verses 29 and 30 says what happens if taken undeservingly
1 Corinthians
The Lord’s Supper
23 For I received from the Lord Himself that [instruction] which I passed on to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night in which He was betrayed took bread;24 and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “This is (represents) My body, which is [offered as a sacrifice] for you.
Do this in [affectionate] remembrance of Me.”
25 In the same way, after supper He took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant [ratified and established] in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in [affectionate] remembrance of Me.”
26 For every time you eat this bread and drink this cup, you are [symbolically] proclaiming [the fact of] the Lord’s death until He comes [again].
27 So then whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in a way that is unworthy [of Him] will be guilty of [profaning and sinning against] the body and blood of the Lord.
28 But a person must [prayerfully] examine himself [and his relationship to Christ], and only when he has done so should he eat of the bread and drink of the cup.
29 For anyone who eats and drinks [without solemn reverence and heartfelt gratitude for the sacrifice of Christ], eats and drinks a judgment on himself if he does not
30 ;That [careless and unworthy participation] is the reason why many among you are weak and sick, and a number sleep [in death].
31 But if we evaluated and judged ourselves honestly [recognizing our shortcomings and correcting our behavior], we would not be judged.
I say ------I again think that we humans think that God should always be there at our beck and call when we want Him to be while we carry on disbelieving in Him and His word ------living our the lives like we want and doing what we want ----and still feel we are worthy to come and partake in His Holy supper -----
Blows My Mind ---------
Who can take communion according to the Bible? | GotQuestions.org
Who can take communion according to the Bible? Are there any biblical qualifications as to who should be allowed to receive communion?
www.gotquestions.org
According to the Bible, those who take communion must be humble, born again, free of unconfessed sin, and living in obedience to God. Whether or not living in obedience includes baptism in every case is something for individual churches to decide. For the converted, repentant sinner, the Lord’s Table is a welcome place of knowing God’s provision and resting in His grace.
chansen
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I knew he must have had some good ideas.
chansen
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Okay, so hear me out.
I was invited to church with a girl who was trying to "save" me, and I thought she was cute, so I went.
Also, I was really hungry. I saw the crackers. The wine thing was weird, but when in Rome, I guess.
Anyway, that's my story. She was slightly mortified when I went up with her, but I promised it would be fine. I think she was paralyzed about what to do and didn't want to create a scene.
It didn't work out with Trudi after that. Turns out I dodged a bullet. She was unstable.
So, in a way, I was saved by the body and blood of Christ. Or by a wafer followed by an unsanitary sip of low quality wine.