Pavlos Maros
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Sometimes the best meals don't contain meat, my diet is extremely varied. and who wouldn't want to have pudding or dessert everyday, they might contain dairy. But delicious all the same.
The Ethics of Eating: A Plant's Perspective on Veganism. (This tangent still on veganism, sadly. However from a different perspective.)
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Mono crop! What do we eat when all there is left is human powers ... tyrants? They will go down hard given the heights they've gone to for control of diversity and other divisive expressions ... Yeg oddes ... to yack about ... as the Y's goes ... given the law of thought ... its on its way out ... we now have artificial versions that are overly processed ... severely chewed over by econo-Micks ... substitutionary Max ... with that funny hammer (for driving words in where they just will not go without a good myth behind them)! The myth is the thing regardless of how questionable ... do pose one ...
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Monocrops and industrial agriculture, reliant as they are on huge amounts of water, fossil fuel, and chemicals, are not sustainable. And they're slaughtering animal and insect life all around them, so that even your vegetarian meal carries a heavy toll. And who is growing and processing your food, and how? How much fossil fuel is used to get it to your plate? There is a great deal to chew on in whatever diet choices we thinking animals pursue.
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Let's be honest, even growing it yourself has an impact, just less of one. But most of us have neither the time nor space for agriculture, even at the personal/family level. And our world has vastly outgrown the ability to have sustainable subsistence agriculture. Short of a catastrophic change in the human population and a return to smaller, more decentralized communities (at 7ish million, the GTA is one of the world's smaller urban areas), even sustainable agriculture is going to have to happen at the mass/factory level.
I do go meatless occasionally for sure. Falafel from my favourite Middle Eastern place, for instance.
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Exactly - you've just illustrated the complexity perfectly. Industrial monoculture is devastating whether it's growing corn for cattle feed or soybeans for human consumption. The pesticides, habitat destruction, and fossil fuel inputs make even "plant-based" meals environmentally costly.
This reinforces what the original piece was getting at, our food choices exist in a web of compromises where simple moral categories break down. The vegan eating almonds from California or quinoa from Bolivia might have a larger footprint than someone eating local livestock.
Maybe the real conversation should be about local, regenerative agriculture and seasonal eating, regardless of whether that includes animals. The "plant vs. animal" debate seems less relevant when you're looking at the whole system.
Thanks for bringing up those practical considerations, they cut to the heart of what actually matters.
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Briám. Delicious.
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I could practically live on "beans and greens" - a healthy dollop of olive oil in which a good amount of garlic is sauteed followed by whatever nice greens you have - I like black kale in the summer when I'm growing it, and baby nettles in the spring - then dump in cooked or canned cannelini beans, add some vegetable/other stock, s&p to taste, maybe a dash of red pepper flakes, and braise for 20 minutes or so, less if it's a very tender green.
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Have you ever made bean or pea fritters. my mum would boil ups some garden pea and processed peas add some seasoning blitz them in a blender and then made them into patties tossed them in butter flour and egg, bread crumbs and fried them lovely. Same with beans, butter beans, kidney beans. I don't really know what she did just that they tasted good.
There are more community gardens around - rentable garden plots for those who live in apartments or don’t have the right soil/ space in their yards. Can be a social thing too. It was a thing in the late 70s. We had one. It fell out of popularity for awhile - I think suburban houses were built in that space we used, in an undeveloped field/ lot - and it’s now popular again. I would need lessons and it might be difficult for me to maneuver. I haven’t tried and I don’t know if there are accessible workshops - maybe worth looking into for next spring/ summer. Could be fun but also could be extra painful and something I’d avoid lol
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This town is overpopulated with deer but it’s highly illegal for someone to hunt a deer in their yard (which I’m sure some gardeners wish they could do because they eat everything) or anywhere in the city. Big trouble for anyone who does that. Which is kind of a good thing. I wouldn’t want that to be common. That’s way too Wild West. I can almost picture the Beverly Hill Billies out in their yards - funny as satire but not for real.
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I can just picture WhyCzar now, going full Granny Clampett.
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I'll take that as a compliment. In order to discourage the deer from eating all of my beans, I planted an old bathtub full just for them in the front of my yard. They eat those and leave the ones in the back garden unbothered. I eat one meal a day - usually at midnight - consisting mainly of animal products without a lot of frills. Tonight's dinner will consist of a mother and child reunion dip, rice crackers, sparkling lemon water and perhaps an icy bit of saskatoon berries for desert.
Well thanks for helping the deer, not hunting them. What animal products are you eating without vegetables? You’ll get gout or scurvy. Well, at least you’re eating berries. That’s good. There are wild blackberries around here, but they’re getting picked over. I saw a deer run across the street after eating from a blackberry bush and a car almost hit it. It just stood there like it owned the road and wouldn’t move for a minute, even getting honked at.
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My sister got herself an allotment same thing you mentioned she lives in a flat. Shes been growing stuff for the past year and loves all her organic veg. Oh and no she is not a vegetarian, she knows all mum recipes and loves it. My wife can cook but doesn't do Briám ( if you don't know what it is, Just roasted veg Greek style. )or fritters. But Sis does. Pita bread filled with Feta and Briám is delicious.
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Briam is clearly a close cousin of ratatouille, a perennial favorite in my house this time of year, given the overabundance of zucchini tomatoes eggplant fresh basil from the church garden, my own little pots of stuff and the abundance of cheap stuff at farmers markets and the local stuff at the grocery store.
My algorithm told me that this one’s going belly-up. (What a surprise that it popped up 
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More about the cost of rent and operations, I think, than vegan popularity. Lots of restaurants have been going out of business. I never tried this one. Looks fancy. They published a cookbook, which is interesting - probably really good - but I doubt I’d ever get that ambitious these days.
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)More about the cost of rent and operations, I think, than vegan popularity. Lots of restaurants have been going out of business. I never tried this one. Looks fancy. They published a cookbook, which is interesting - probably really good - but I doubt I’d ever get that ambitious these days.
Vancouver vegan restaurant announces closure after nearly a decade and people are upset | Daily Hive | Food & Drink
After nearly a decade of operation, Vancouver plant-based restaurant Chi has announced it will be closing its doors.
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That is sad. I hate it when a small business goes belly up. because they but so much work into it, even more so when it is shown to be failing. When I was child I lived in a small village, it had a small 8 table restaurant, which went under. Within a couple of months another couple brought as a going concern that failed 18 months later again new people took it other failure and failure over the next 10 years. you have to give them credit for trying. But sometimes it wise to listen to the local populous, they do know better. We all tried to tell the new owners each time, it would not work. Finally after many years of being empty it was turned it to a estate, along with some other buildings nearby, sadly for the very last couple to own it they lost the most as it was never resold, and local council gave them a pittance for it.My algorithm told me that this one’s going belly-up. (What a surprise that it popped up
More about the cost of rent and operations, I think, than vegan popularity. Lots of restaurants have been going out of business. I never tried this one. Looks fancy. They published a cookbook, which is interesting - probably really good - but I doubt I’d ever get that ambitious these days.
Vancouver vegan restaurant announces closure after nearly a decade and people are upset | Daily Hive | Food & Drink
After nearly a decade of operation, Vancouver plant-based restaurant Chi has announced it will be closing its doors.
And it goes into the pot of what the government will do to prop up the brutes ... the grants that go to profitable operations are stupendous ... and promptly taken out as commissions! The feeding cycle of monsters ... a myth so classic it is real ... yet we cannot observe it for feinting senses ... whiter shades ...
What happens to whiter shades in total oblivion? Folk have difficulty facing it ... thus the R's to the grindstone formation ... few perceived the classic presentation ...
I’ve heard small business owners in Vancouver complaining that their rent since COVID has gone up about 200% in some instances. There are no rent controls at all for businesses. Combine that with increased food costs and staffing and they just can’t do it. I’m not in Vancouver now, but not far from it, and restaurants and other small businesses are struggling here as well. Rents may not be quite as high but the downtown core has changed since COVID. Less healthy people, less healthy businesses - just all around decline. It’s sad.