A thought tangent that may not suit everyone."The Complexity of Vegan Food Choices"

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I was talking about Hinduism mainly. And Buddhism. It’s been practised in certain cultures - several Indian restaurants in Vancouver are vegan and I don’t think that’s “unnatural”. I agree that the shaming of those who eat meat as being “murderers” is bad too. But there is the whole paleo vs vegan thing that has misogynist political undertones.

Hominids used to club each other over the head, and there was probably some cannibalism going on too (among other abhorrent behaviours) but we can/ did evolve and adapt - especially if science says it’s not good for the future of the planet.
 
Given the large ideal of deception as presented with Christian Judean (and other BS's) can mere mortals escape such false impressions without a great sese of dissemination?

Davidian humus ...

Could it be a Cosmological exam for the small things in the great out there? The materials we have no knowledge of is very extensive ... even in the Wahl of denial of much larger forces of mystery ...

Stunning in some impressions ... some are so self enclosed they deny everything that's out there ... enigma's right? Baffling barriers to open hearts and thoughts ... as Ѡ and Ꜿ Ꞓ in collision even thought one of them is declared unknown ...

Some people deny signs and symbols altogether ... even if given by the greater unknown than our own psyche!

Yet still it is hard to find a tyrant that doesn't declare theh knows everything ... like odd scratches on media ... tyrants just couldn't accept what's unknown even if they reject intellectualism ... it is just way too self critical! We cannot have it ...

Is it not like a great dragon looking in from out there and all we see in the center of its Ayes ... the knows? --- Pi*noc*chio ... if you understand C'lio ... that's sacred poetry! Difficult for norms to interpret ... leading to AB Norm All!

Prepared to go that far as excess 've bustier? Ѡ ome*g*odd ... all wound up!
 
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I was talking about Hinduism mainly. I agree that the shaming of those who eat meat is bad too. But there is the whole paleo mentality which politically


If you listen to every source ... all things as toxic ... and thus explains humankind and its toxicity to God in general ... that's all! Wholly?

You bet? How sniggers evolve ... obscure dimples ... distasteful reality? Thus we go ...
 
Most vegans I have met shop at local independent shops and bakeries where the ingredients are locally sourced. They tend to have money to afford it. I’m not a vegan because it’s too expensive to eat that way and my limited skills limit choices/ variety. I went vegetarian a few times. It gets boring unless cooking is enjoyable - it’s uninspiring otherwise. I can’t give up dairy and eggs. I don’t like the warehousing of cattle and chickens crammed together in cages though. I have never heard of bone char in white sugar or L-cysteine from duck feathers. I think the local bakeries catering to health conscious foodies would avoid processed sugar and is L-cysteine an additive? Because if so most health conscious eaters that buy from healthy food shops avoid that too.

David Suzuki has things to say. I respect his knowledge.



Side note one of my favourite restaurants here is vegan. I’ve only been twice - once for my birthday - because it’s fairly pricey. They have a sous chef. The food is amazing, flavourful, filling - you don’t miss the meat at all. They have a baked Mac n cheese that contains no cheese and it’s better than my mom’s (which is really good). Best I’ve ever had actually. They have a bunch of vegetable curry bowls. The desserts using whipped coconut cream are delicious. If I could cook like that, I’d be vegan in a heartbeat. But I cannot, and for other practical reasons, I don’t see it happening. I don’t eat much red meat though.

As for bits of bugs getting into things it’s just something that can’t be avoided but at least vegans are trying to avoid animal products/ biproducts wherever possible. The choice to not eat meat has become political and ridiculous. There’s a degree of misogyny that goes with in anti-veganism these days too - the “soy boi”taunting and stuff. The paleo thing too.
Leave peoples diet choices alone. Don’t politicize them so much. That said, the aversion to eating dead animals is valid. It’s instinctive for some. Once I found out what I was eating as a kid, and it horrified me - perhaps that was an instinct I had that didn’t need to be pressured out of me. I got used to eating meat and enjoyed it only if I didn’t think of where it came from. I’m still like that.

Follow respected science as to whether we need to start adapting and finding alternatives to animal agriculture.
The Suzuki piece compares extreme meat consumption to ideal veganism, while completely ignoring the animal deaths from crop harvesting that I mentioned. It’s a classic cherry-picked comparison that sidesteps the real ethical question, and it doesn’t address my main point at all. Around here, people get respected for solid analysis, not pseudofacts. He should’ve stuck to what he knows instead of posting misinformation.
 
I was talking about Hinduism mainly.
And as I said, Hindus are far from universally vegan or vegetarian. It's practiced by some priests and lay people of some sects (Hinduism is hardly monolithic). There's a strong vegetarian strain in parts of the religion, no doubt, but they have also given us tandoori chicken and lamb biryani so hardly a vegan culture. They won't consume beef (due to the sacred cattle) but that's no different than Muslims and Jews having dietary rules like not eating pork. Doesn't make them vegan by any stretch of the imagination.
 
The Suzuki piece compares extreme meat consumption to ideal veganism, while completely ignoring the animal deaths from crop harvesting that I mentioned. It’s a classic cherry-picked comparison that sidesteps the real ethical question, and it doesn’t address my main point at all. Around here, people get respected for solid analysis, not pseudofacts. He should’ve stuck to what he knows instead of posting misinformation.
proof that it’s misinformation? He’s hardly a hack. Around here, being where? And around where I am is less credible? Suzuki is less credible than you because?

You haven’t posted any data. Proof that animal deaths from crop harvesting are more substantial than the animal agriculture industry, and worse for the planet?

Shouldn’t have weighed in but it’s too late. I took the bait.
 
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AI’s sources included a Yale School of the Environment publication, the United Nations, Physicians Committee for responsible medicine, WHO, David Suzuki Foundation, BBC, Science Direct…etc.
 
There are different reasons people choose vegan diets: environmental, cultural/ religious, dietary, animal rights. Your argument, apparently, assumes it’s usually only about animal rights. However, no matter what reason a person chooses to be vegan, it’s still, according to many credible sources, better for the planet.
 
Some studies show that vegans live longer than meat eaters. Some show that there’s no statistical difference in life expectancy. Vegans and meat eaters are prone to different deficiencies and imbalances but overall vegans either live a little longer, or there’s no difference.



 
You can fact check if you like - I can’t pick up the pdf link from here - but World Health Organization says over a third of food-borne diseases are linked to animal sourced foods.

Zoonotic diseases as well, obviously come from animals - often from animal meat.

There are many reasons for people to consume less meat, or none at all.

That said, I already had bacon and eggs today. I’m far from a vegan - though I like to eat vegan meals from time to time - and my diet is not consistently really healthy lately (it’s been better). I’m just posting what the research says about how we could improve.
 
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Can AL be distracted as intent ally as mortals?

If meat and Zoological productivity is contagious as lack of intelligence ... can we see trouble coming down the way?

Can a non existent psyche catch anything easily? Thus extremely inhibited industrialism must be kept 'n mined ... separate from the emotional quickness ...

Thus dashes and races occur ... in counter vectors causing considerable fractals ... busted spirituality?

As two different items of concern and worry ... guess which is easier to sacrifice as a casualty of mortification as made into a martyr and is certainly quieted as Shiva!

Dead to this world eh ... if a person wants excess emotion the other part goes ... right? Is there a message there? No! Not if the medium is destroyed ... as the other 2 do not carry well on their own co ins ... what a donkey it takes to waste this as prodigal ... the spark goes out of it ...

Considerable figuring and the like are required as afort unate item ... often displaced in the distractions!
 
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Kimmio. You're arguing against points I never made. My original post was about the contradiction between minimizing animal harm (vegans' stated goal) and crop harvest deaths. Your links about emissions and health don't address that ethical inconsistency at all.
 
Kimmio. You're arguing against points I never made. My original post was about the contradiction between minimizing animal harm (vegans' stated goal) and crop harvest deaths. Your links about emissions and health don't address that ethical inconsistency at all.
But the thing is, that’s not necessarily always, or nowadays, even vegan’s primary stated goal. In fact, I don’t think that’s been the main goal for people becoming vegan for a long time. So starting with that premise is unfair to begin with. It sort of maligns vegans for the wrong reasons with a side ethical argument that’s not relevant. So then people with a vested political or economic interest can say vegans are careless hypocrites because animals get killed by accident anyway during these processes, and vegans eat trace amounts of animal biproducts - when that’s not why they’re doing it. They’re not all PETA fanatics. In fact, the majority likely aren’t. Speaking of misinformation…

But whether they’re with PETA or not veganism is still better for the planet - whether they get trace amounts of animal based food or not. That ‘should’ be acknowledged. Instead, this has been a waste of time argument I shouldn’t have jumped into. Sorry I did.
 
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