Expansion of MAID delayed until after next election
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No, because it’s not a medical term, but it gives the perception of a safeguard. That’s why many were even skeptical of track 1.
No, because it’s not a medical term, but it gives the perception of a safeguard and absolves medical staff from misinterpretation because it is vague. That’s why many were/ are even skeptical of track 1. I think “reasonably foreseeable” was the closest promise the opponents could achieve from the DwD defenders, of something resembling a safeguard. The UN was already concerned that it went too far. Then, that supposed safeguard was dropped in 2021 for a new track they created. Of course “oversight” means the few cases that are examined once someone is already dead so that doesn’t help the patient much to get the care they should’ve had does it? There’s no fighting back, no changing minds. A person’s life is gone. It’s final. It’s very corrupt imo. But the UN is too diplomatic to use those words. They did however, issue a scathing indictment of disability rights problems in Canada.
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As far as I and many are concerned “reasonably foreseeable” is meaningless - we’re all in mortal bodies. But at least it gave MAiD providers reason to reflect on what on what a reasonable assumption would be. Track 2 doesn’t even bother to do that.
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How should it be worded in your opinion?
There should be a clear prognosis/ timeline that has to be recognized. And it should be stringent and all efforts made to save the life must be made and if a person refuses treatment or supports or palliative care offered they shouldn’t be allowed to have MAiD. That’s the way it in the Netherlands. A patient can’t receive MAiD if they refuse treatment available, offered to them. If they really want to die it’s not up to doctors - that’s not their job. MAiD shouldn’t be death on demand happily provided by the state. That’s really, actually, disgusting.
Canadian and Dutch doctors’ roles in assistance in dying - PMC
According to the Canadian law legalizing physicians to provide medical assistance in dying (MAID) under certain circumstances, the patients alone determine if their suffering cannot be relieved under conditions “that they consider acceptable.” This ...
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“In the Netherlands, when a doctor believes that other means to reduce the suffering exist, they must be tried before having access to MAID. This criterion is often applied and is considered an essential precaution to ensure that lives are not ended prematurely when other viable interventions exist. The Canadian emphasis on the patient’s right to decide whether to try potential alternatives a physician may suggest, such as palliative care, instead of dying by MAID, gives patients the liberty to make informed decisions, even when they may not seem to be in their best interest. This contrasts with the belief in the Netherlands that the state has an obligation to protect citizens from making decisions that are not in their best interest, such as choosing to die when the “intolerable suffering” can be diminished sufficiently for the person to abandon the desire to end the suffering by dying.”
I would argue if a patient is suicidal because they received a serious diagnosis that they are not making an informed decision. They are suicidal, not mentally healthy, and intervention must be tried, to protect the patient from premature death. They are in harm’s way. The fact that the law doesn’t require this in Canada means the law is negligent. It’s also turning something meant to alleviate suffering at the end of life, into a license to kill. Literally. The criminal code provisions were to protect doctors from being charged for overdosing suffering patients who were imminently dying. They were not lifted to create a murderer class of medical staff. Or were they? Because DwD has always wanted to expand it.
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I'm trying to understand how that works, because if a person refuses treatment, don't they have that right too? ( I know patients, have a right to refuse meds, treatment and such, after which the consequences of that choice are thoroughly explained)
If the person continues to want MAID instead, it seems a bit harsh to deny that.
The problem I see is that people are individuals and it's hard to legalize things based on just a few or the majority.....but yes definitely lack of alternate resources for a better choice are a problem....so probably more investment in those areas before laws are passed to make it a choice without really having a choice IMO.
And there are many doctors who didn’t want anything to do with MAiD but are forced to comply with the new, vague, law. If they won’t do it they have to refer out to someone else.
They have a right to refuse treatment. I just don’t think they should have a right to demand MAiD in place of treatment. It’s not harsh. The patient wishing to have a doctor kill them before starting treatment is as harsh as it gets because they’ll be dead.
The problem is that because MAID is so permissive and was permissive from the start, the Canadian mindset cannot be brought back to rationality about this. It’s very serious and very harsh to be asking a doctor to end one’s life. It’s not like any other medical request. People are treating it as such and that’s a societal problem now.
the Netherlands doesn’t provide death on demand to people when there are viable treatment options not tried. That seems much more reasonable given that MAiD is not actually a “treatment”. It’s killing a patient. Reasonable and sane doctors don’t want to do that. It’s not their job. It’s not what they signed up for. And we’re arguing for better health and social services before legalizing MAiD but that didn’t happen. That’s an indictment of the government and the people who supported putting that cart before the horse.
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I think there does come a time when further treatment is essentially pointless. Some cancer treatment is a case in point. Cancer treatment is harsh and has side effects. Some of those side effects are pretty rough. Some people get to the point where further treatment does nothing but extend life without a quality of life. I believe most doctors do want people to have a good quality of life. It just comes to a point where the person is done. I get that. At that point they need to have legitimate choices. Continue treatment, palliative care or MAID. There may be other choices. My point is that when people are given options, they can decide which is best for them. I'm okay with MAID as an option at this point. Death is likely close by anyway. It is very inappropriate to have MAID at diagnosis, even if the diagnosis is dire.
I can't see a similar scenario for track 2.
I can't see a similar scenario for track 2.
Doctors can’t be put in the position that they are required to kill people when they know that other options - including palliative options exist. It should definitely not be a first option in the majority of cases. Even Track 1. The Netherlands is doing better. Now we have a new class of doctors who believe it’s their duty to provide MAiD on demand and that’s just…it’s sick, actually. Doctors who’ve dedicated their lives to saving people now have to acquiesce to patients demands to be killed? And this has been normalized? Disgusting.
I think the government needs to be held accountable - with some leniency for doctors and staff who’ve been coerced by this law into changing their ethical practices. They’re human too. Wouldn’t be surprised if some of them have been traumatized by these demands - and why many have quit, putting incredible strain on the ones who are left to carry the weight. And this leads to poorer care and more requests for MAiD.
There should be a study done - asap - on doctor burnout and increased MAiD. And the blame should rest squarely on the government.
We’re going to have a survival of the fittest Darwinian system where only those who are “naturally healthy enough” and have other supports in place, or can afford private care, get to live - and public hospitals become MAiD facilities - if they don’t roll this law way back. It’s all part of fascism. It is.
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Assessing quality of life according to able bodied norms and assumptions is a danger to disabled people. Just putting that out there. Quality of life can just mean being alive and conscious. You are valuable because you exist. You don’t have to be productive for the state. You don’t have to keep up with the Joneses. Joy can exist even in suffering. You’re a human being and your life matters because of that. Nothing more nothing less. People like Tracy Latimer mattered. Her life was hers and not up to her father to determine the quality of.
Before we talk about QOL in assessing MAiD cases - the social determinants of health have to be prioritized. As does ableism. Even in Track 1, because disability precedes death in terminal cases. Sometimes for years before natural death would be expected.
Before we talk about QOL in assessing MAiD cases - the social determinants of health have to be prioritized. As does ableism. Even in Track 1, because disability precedes death in terminal cases. Sometimes for years before natural death would be expected.
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Thus afterlife characters ... as they no longer are not ... a metaphor of an OBI thingy? Bump on the log ... note that down ...
Of course if common folk cannot speak of virtue and truth ... options? These may be mythical ... like psyche buried in the story!
Imagine that in the depth of script ... cursive even ... rare acceptations? Often trashed ... they say thought is depressing if you note what we do to ourselves to hedonistically please a king without a clue ... 'onistic Alley? Glass ayeδ beaut/bote!
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