when a homily makes the news....

[BetteTheRed]

On the contrary, mercy is appropriate only when the law is not violated by it.

Feck, guess you're okay with a man murdering his daughter because she wasn't honoring her father enough?

If a teenage child curses their parent in anger, they have violated the law, one of the purported Ten Commandments (and one that's in all versions). What I would most like you to confirm is that you have never been a parent (tp ease my own anxiety as you as parent), and perhaps that's why your vision of Abba God is so inadequate.

 

[Mystic]

Feck, guess you're okay with a man murdering his daughter because she wasn't honoring her father enough?

Such a parent deserves life imprisonment, perhaps execution.

If a teenage child curses their parent in anger, they have violated the law, one of the purported Ten Commandments (and one that's in all versions). What I would most like you to confirm is that you have never been a parent (tp ease my own anxiety as you as parent), and perhaps that's why your vision of Abba God is so inadequate.

A teen who curses a parent needs justice in the form of discipline, perhaps a scolding or a time out--not imprisonment! Justice requires that the disciplineto be proportional to the offense.
When I was at Harvard, I attended a training trial of a friend at Harvard Law School. You learn that we need lawyers partly because the law must take into account mitigating circumstances. On the other hand, mercy does not imply that justice can be ignored. You have a simple-minded approach to justice.

 

[Mystic]

I should qualify my post by noting that the parents response should take the child's psychopathology into account.
Fpr example, if your homeless son cussed you out, the long toxic history that led to his predicament might reqauire a gentle invitation to just listen and try to understand his anger. A flexible approach is needed because justice needs to be reformative, not just retributive.

 

[Jaebius]

A flexible approach is needed because justice needs to be reformative, not just retributive.

How do you reconcile that statement with this, "Such a parent deserves life imprisonment, perhaps execution."

 

[BetteTheRed]

I think we may have confirmed, thanks be to all that's holy, that berserk has never parented a child.

 

[Mystic]

How do you reconcile that statement with this, "Such a parent deserves life imprisonment, perhaps execution."

There is an exception in the application of Jesus' sayiings on loving enemies. For Jesus, reformative justice has its limits; and that limit is murder. Like the OT, Jesus believed in capital punishment:

"All who take to the sword shall perish by the sword (Matthew 26:52)."

Jesus would not universalize such executions if He rejected capital punishment:

Likewise, iIn tbe parable in Luke 19:11-27. Jesus would not speak with tacit approval of the capital punishment meted out by the nobleman on his enemies if He did not believe in capital punishment:

"But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.’”

 

[Jaebius]

There is an exception in the application of Jesus' sayiings on loving enemies. For Jesus, reformative justice has its limits; and that limit is murder. Like the OT, Jesus believed in capital punishment:

"All who take to the sword shall perish by the sword (Matthew 26:52)."

Jesus would not universalize such executions if He rejected capital punishment:

Likewise, iIn tbe parable in Luke 19:11-27. Jesus would not speak with tacit approval of the capital punishment meted out by the nobleman on his enemies if He did not believe in capital punishment:

"But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.’”

Jesus came to the earth on a rescue mission, Mystic, to teach God's message of love, mercy, and forgiveness. His teachings challenge us to look beyond retributive justice and seek ways to promote healing and reconciliation. Let's consider the principles of compassion and grace that underpin his message.

So, who's it you're itching to exterminate? Is it everyone who breaks the law or just the real baddy baddies? At what point do you think someone's gotta' go?

 

[Luce NDs]

Jesus emphasized love, compassion, and humility in his teachings. Justice must be tempered with mercy and understanding. The passages you mentioned remind us of the need for compassion and empathy in our actions

Is there an alternate plot ... like Brutae? Its a dark power ... one has to to underground with certain partisans to see up the shaft ... at what? A gross guess will do given what we appreciate of virtue ... often buried as prodigal waste ... light loss ... a loss or laws leader?

 

[Jaebius]

Is there an alternate plot ... like Brutae? Its a dark power ... one has to to underground with certain partisans to see up the shaft ... at what? A gross guess will do given what we appreciate of virtue ... often buried as prodigal waste ... light loss ... a loss or laws leader?

The imagery and symbolism in your message, Luce, remind me of the complexities and challenges we all face in life. It's essential, I think, to seek the light of virtue and grace, even when it seems buried or lost

 

[Luce NDs]

Jesus came to the earth on a rescue mission, Mystic, to teach God's message of love, mercy, and forgiveness. His teachings challenge us to look beyond retributive justice and seek ways to promote healing and reconciliation. Let's consider the principles of compassion and grace that underpin his message.

So, who's it you're itching to exterminate? Is it everyone who breaks the law or just the real baddy baddies? At what point do you think someone's gotta' go?

Imagine being enlightened about the qualities of great power that can overcome grace!

Grace being that thin tissue separating intellectual matter from the essence of will that is easily warped by some severe hammering --- Thor thing!

In other traditions Thor is ζ UR thing ... top value by looking at the bottom end? Hammer down ... that wooden peg an' item ... supports intent! Whatever is covered up in there ... busted it become extant ...

Look at the tiny physical attributes of the atom of course it peaceful use was abused ... like that coming in from distant stars ... we appear in dim light! Thieves in the night ... CON ζ eptions ... some can't even comprehend such essence ... observers in the shadow?

May the 4th be with you drink up ... leave a dreg or draught ... for the plunderers that lost their mined field ... grasping for emotions ...

 

[jimkenney12]

There is an exception in the application of Jesus' sayiings on loving enemies. For Jesus, reformative justice has its limits; and that limit is murder. Like the OT, Jesus believed in capital punishment:

"All who take to the sword shall perish by the sword (Matthew 26:52)."

Jesus would not universalize such executions if He rejected capital punishment:

Likewise, iIn tbe parable in Luke 19:11-27. Jesus would not speak with tacit approval of the capital punishment meted out by the nobleman on his enemies if He did not believe in capital punishment:

"But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.’”

The quote from Matthew parallels to those who are born shall die or those who do not get enough vitamin C shall get scurvy. Jesus named a consequence, not a punishment. It is not universalizing capital punishment.

I realize you believe Jesus was the author of that story about the king. I am not sure. It feels like an attack on the religious leaders who rejected Jesus and had him executed, a story added by the author. Either way I am not sure how to interpret that aspect of the story. It seems like another consequence story.

 

[Luce NDs]

Like double bit axis ... and thirds ... related to plurality and not majority ...

 

[paradox3]

@jimkenney12
Thanks for the terminology "consequence story". I am reminded of the OT account of God visiting the sins of the fathers for three or four generations.

Never had the terminology for it but I have always believed this to be a consequence story.

 

[Luce NDs]

@jimkenney12
Thanks for the terminology "consequence story". I am reminded of the OT account of God visiting the sins of the fathers for three or four generations.

Never had the terminology for it but I have always believed this to be a consequence story.

Thus squared off ... so many examples of tablets in the records ... on there triangles, circles and alternate lines ... hard to count! Just watch and listen what's muted is fantastic ... after the facts? Totalitarians despise facts ... they have alternates ... complicated! It is simple to not go there ...

Right out of the box ...

 

[Waterfall]

There is an exception in the application of Jesus' sayiings on loving enemies. For Jesus, reformative justice has its limits; and that limit is murder. Like the OT, Jesus believed in capital punishment:

"All who take to the sword shall perish by the sword (Matthew 26:52)."

Jesus would not universalize such executions if He rejected capital punishment:

Likewise, iIn tbe parable in Luke 19:11-27. Jesus would not speak with tacit approval of the capital punishment meted out by the nobleman on his enemies if He did not believe in capital punishment:

"But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.’”

It would be awfully hard to find an executioner if you had to wait for someone without sin to cast the first stone, wouldn't it?

 

[Waterfall]

It would be awfully hard to find an executioner if you had to wait for someone without sin to cast the first stone, wouldn't it?

And Mystic that would also cause me to believe you have found the wrong definition for the other phrases you suggested because they need to align with the above saying, or Jesus is teaching that his words contradict one another.
I should add that "the woman caught in adultery story" is no longer in some Bible's or some may have just an explanation, because it was added later and is not found in the earliest Bible's text.

 

[Luce NDs]

Jesus is teaching that his words contradict one another. --- Waterfall!

In abstract would that make Jesus the master of irony ...i.e. parables? Thus the mule carries like Ba'alm (given a Ba that's soul m'n) a marked thing ...

These exponents can go on and on ... as clipped imagery or EMMa's vision ... Emmet's? Superb Ra dia nseize! That ova head ... dreamy? One knows it could be Beta but with corruption running amuck ... in old English that was Giff or GiffGaff ... common exchanges outside the totalitarian court ...

What totalitarian? Take a fer auld guess ... something wild with any appreciation for the surrounding supports ... another tear ... and down hill we go ag' in ... Aggie ... a powerful word when taken in aggregate with agoraphobia ... some connections prerequisite ... civil communications?

I've found a story is best because you can't get through to a stone walled tyrant ... while myths do drift freely ... some interpretation required ... Ness is Eire point ...

I was asked on WC what I meant by metaphor ... to which I replied with over 100 words that were simulants ... inclusive of Allah Gory as a bloody line or Rube Con! Blood runs deep in conflict zones ... tyrants love such as a means of making wealth on the back of the we folk ...

Bulling beefs ... consequences ... enlightened angels take flight ... so intelligence dims ... result? Imagine the ivory gates ...

 

[Mystic]

The quote from Matthew parallels to those who are born shall die or those who do not get enough vitamin C shall get scurvy. Jesus named a consequence, not a punishment. It is not universalizing capital punishment.

Your parallelomania is bogus because what you don't get is that an assailant who kills another with the sword DOES NOT normally perish with the sword unless he is executed for his crime. So Jesus' statement, "All (not some !) who take to the sword perish by the sword ," is prescriptive rather than descriptive.

I realize you believe Jesus was the author of that story about the king. I am not sure. It feels like an attack on the religious leaders who rejected Jesus and had him executed, a story added by the author. Either way I am not sure how to interpret that aspect of the story. It seems like another consequence story.

Since the story is a fictional parable rather than a true story of consequence, Jesus could have included an authorization of noncapital punishment rather than the death penalty if He rejected capital punishment. Your exiegesis warps the natural implications of these 2 texts.

Waterfall: "It would be awfully hard to find an executioner if you had to wait for someone without sin to cast the first stone, wouldn't it?"

First 7:53-8:11 is a later additional to the Gospel of John.
Second, "sin" is not necessarily "crime." There is no contradiction between Jesus' opposition to vigilante stoning for female adultery and Jesus' otherwise supporting capital punishment on other grounds.

 

[Waterfall]

Waterfall: "It would be awfully hard to find an executioner if you had to wait for someone without sin to cast the first stone, wouldn't it?"

First 7:53-8:11 is a later additional to the Gospel of John.
Second, "sin" is not necessarily "crime." There is no contradiction between Jesus' opposition to vigilante stoning for female adultery and Jesus' otherwise supporting capital punishment on other grounds.

In this parable, the consequence would have been death for the woman....sounds like capital punishment to me. And it sounds like Jesus is saying it's wrong.
Jesus taught us through many parables.

The later insertion of the parable still provides a truth.

 

[Mystic]

In this parable, the consequence would have been death for the woman....sounds like capital punishment to me. And it sounds like Jesus is saying it's wrong.
Jesus taught us through many parables.

The later insertion of the parable still provides a truth.

You miss the point that Jesus views female adultery not as a crime, but as a "sin" not worthy of capital punshment. So this in no way undermines his clear support for capital punishment elsewhere.