Ontario election, February 27, 2025

Welcome to Wondercafe2!

A community where we discuss, share, and have some fun together. Join today and become a part of it!

Register Log in
Mendalla

Mendalla

Happy headbanging ape!!
Pronouns
He/Him/His
So after a flurry of speculation, Doug Ford is taking Ontario to the polls early. The election was supposed to be in June 2026 but it is now happening Feb. 27, 2025. Excuse is to give him a mandate to deal with Trump and the possible tariff war with the US. That said, he was apparently looking at going to the polls early even before that so I really think the tariff thing is an excuse. He's high in the polls, the NDP and Liberals are still rebuilding under relatively new leaders (e.g. Crombie is only going for a seat in this election), so he sees political opportunity.

So here's a thread on the Ontario election. What do you think?
 
Are elections part of the evil and corruption within ... given the uncertainty ...

Best to build a wall is said to be the solution but then ... walls have double-side elimination ... then a fiord vs a trumped up insanity as not solid but indeterminate!

Even the POTUS declares elections are corrupt to the totalitarian ... thus even falls as dark ... poetic?
 
I think it's a waste of time and money and it hardly gives other parties any time to create an effective campaign......plus I'm getting sick of the overload of elections from everywhere.
So does this cancel out the June 2026 election?
 
Waterfall said:
I think it's a waste of time and money and it hardly gives other parties any time to create an effective campaign......plus I'm getting sick of the overload of elections from everywhere.
So does this cancel out the June 2026 election?
Click to expand...
Yes, it will. Messes up the whole schedule, really. The US system of fixed elections has its merits. Basically I would prefer that a government in Canada be fixed at four years unless it falls on a confidence vote.
 
I saw an interview where an advisor suggested they would have advised Ford to go early as well. Apparently there's merit to be running as a Conservative for Premier when the federal government isn't conservative.

That being said, while I understand on some level why he's doing it, I don't agree.
 
Peterson thought the same thing a few decades ago. I am hoping that enough people will be ticked by an unnecessary election to provide Ford with an unhappy surprise.
 
Mendalla said:
So after a flurry of speculation, Doug Ford is taking Ontario to the polls early. The election was supposed to be in June 2026 but it is now happening Feb. 27, 2025. Excuse is to give him a mandate to deal with Trump and the possible tariff war with the US. That said, he was apparently looking at going to the polls early even before that so I really think the tariff thing is an excuse. He's high in the polls, the NDP and Liberals are still rebuilding under relatively new leaders (e.g. Crombie is only going for a seat in this election), so he sees political opportunity.

So here's a thread on the Ontario election. What do you think?
Click to expand...
Question the not-nuttiness of anyone who supports PC Doug Ford after seeing Republican Donald Trump in action
 
Over a $10 billion dollar deficit
Hundreds of millions wasted on a luxury spa
Greenbelt scandal
Health care mess
Reduced funding for schools
Housing shortage
Homeless crisis
Food banks experiencing huge increase in demand
Billions of dollars committed to battery plants that are not looking like great investments
 
jimkenney12 said:
Peterson thought the same thing a few decades ago. I am hoping that enough people will be ticked by an unnecessary election to provide Ford with an unhappy surprise.
Click to expand...

I remember that one. He thought he had it in the bag too.
 
Jae said:
Question the not-nuttiness of anyone who supports PC Doug Ford after seeing Republican Donald Trump in action
Click to expand...
Ford's a very different beast from Trump, though. Basically just an old school fiscal conservative who is waaaaaaaay too cozy with business. He has actually been quite level-headed through things like COVID (he actually listened to public health experts all through it) but his policies are almost transparently designed to benefit his buddies in development and related sectors. I will take Ford's corruption over Trump's narcissistic looniness any day. And the so-cons haven't really got much of a toehold with Ford's government either, unlike the GOP.
 
I haven't generally liked Ford. I did like what I saw in how he responded to the pandemic. I've also generally liked how he's responded to the US president's threats. He presents well under some circumstances.
 
Mendalla said:
Ford's a very different beast from Trump, though. Basically just an old school fiscal conservative who is waaaaaaaay too cozy with business. He has actually been quite level-headed through things like COVID (he actually listened to public health experts all through it) but his policies are almost transparently designed to benefit his buddies in development and related sectors. I will take Ford's corruption over Trump's narcissistic looniness any day. And the so-cons haven't really got much of a toehold with Ford's government either, unlike the GOP.
Click to expand...
Yes Mendalla, I imagine that's true. I was thinking about things at much more of a surface level. I do think anyone who thinks, 'Hm, President Trump's a Republican. I like the way he's doin' things. Republican is kinda' like Conservative. I'm gonna' vote for Ford' is nutty o_O
 
Jae said:
Yes Mendalla, I imagine that's true. I was thinking about things at much more of a surface level. I do think anyone who thinks, 'Hm, President Trump's a Republican. I like the way he's doin' things. Republican is kinda' like Conservative. I'm gonna' vote for Ford' is nutty o_O
Click to expand...
Well, yeah, because they are going to be disappointed when he doesn't do batshit crazy.
 
I don't like that he is making it a one-issue election...to avoid some of his shortfalls in other areas, I guess. His obsession with liquor is interesting....even as a response to Trump's tariffs, he talked about pulling American made wine from LCBO shelves. To me, though, he gets a failing grade on the state of health care. Which is affected by the drug situation. Yesterday, I met a young person from India...trained to be a doctor there, and working as a PSW here. She has a cardiologist friend who is working at Jiffy Lube. She said that there is a group of them in our city -- 50 people who have been trained as doctors elsewhere and can't get what they need here to become qualified in Canada. Often they can't get other doctors willing to take them on.
 
Nancy said:
His obsession with liquor is interesting....
Click to expand...
He can't stop thinking about booze. It always comes down to alcohol. Buck a beer...beer in grocery stores...bags in LCBO...and now using alcohol as a trade war bargaining chip.

For a guy who comes from a family of addicts, but reportedly isn't an addict himself, it's really curious why he promotes access to alcohol.
 
chansen said:
He can't stop thinking about booze. It always comes down to alcohol. Buck a beer...beer in grocery stores...bags in LCBO...and now using alcohol as a trade war bargaining chip.

For a guy who comes from a family of addicts, but reportedly isn't an addict himself, it's really curious why he promotes access to alcohol.
Click to expand...
Because other people buy it, paying taxes to the Ontario government. Ford likes the government supported by people who buy stuff he does not buy.
 
Jae said:
To what degree, if any, do you think Premier Ford can effectively fight against President Trump's tariffs?
Click to expand...
In the end, there's pretty clear limits to what he can actually do. International trade is a federal matter so he can't really do a deal with Trump or impose countervailing tariffs, just do the sort of things he has already talked about like not stocking American booze in LCBO and pulling out of electricity sharing with neighbouring states. The most important thing he can do is cooperate with Ottawa and the other premiers to put forward a united face and coordinate these activities but Danielle Smith is making that difficult.
 
jimkenney12 said:
Because other people buy it, paying taxes to the Ontario government. Ford likes the government supported by people who buy stuff he does not buy.
Click to expand...
I don't really buy that. Beer in stores potentially gave his retail friends a boost - that sort of glad-handing is more his thing. Like with his his developer friends.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top