God the All-terrible!

[Hermann]

I'm not a fan of re-writing old lyrics. They are part of an older culture, and I would rather leave them as they are, as icons of the old culture, and write something new. Rewriting the lyrics of old hymns is much like re-writing Shakespeare or the Bible into a politically correct version, which might be incorrect again by tomorrow's standards.

I don't really mind most traditional hymns. To me, it is the the music that counts, and the feeling I get from the music, rather than the literal message of the lyrics. But I realize that lyrics matter to most people. The "lordly lyrics" don't bother me if I deeply feel the music. It's like listening to Mozart in Italian. The music sounds great, but the lyrics are banal and a turnoff, and it is better not to understand Italian when listening to a Mozart aria.

 

[Mendalla]

Rewriting the lyrics of old hymns is much like re-writing Shakespeare or the Bible into a politically correct version, which might be incorrect again by tomorrow's standards.

I look at the history of hymnody and see that borrowing tunes, whether from existing hymns or from other sources (e.g. singing Away in a Manger to Flow Gently, Sweet Afton) is part of that tradition. So using an old tune for a new set of lyrics is fair game to my eye. I do agree that tinkering with existing lyrics gets a bit iffy at times, but I've seen it done well.

 

[Mendalla]

It's like listening to Mozart in Italian. The music sounds great, but the lyrics are banal and a turnoff, and it is better not to understand Italian when listening to a Mozart aria.

Even the ones that he wrote in Italian (which is most of them, really, other than The Magic Flute IIRC)?

 

[unsafe]

This is just my view on this ---All -Terrible word in OP -----

It is so important in my opinion to know what Bible words mean in the greek and hebrew ------

Deut 10;17 ----King James Bible
For the LORD your GodisGod of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:

Hebrew word for Terrible here in Deut 10:17----


3372. yare'►
Strong's Concordance


3 ----inspire reverence, godly fear, and awe:

a.as attribute of God,לְמַעַן תִּוָּרֵאthat thou mightest be revered-----;Deuteronomy 10:17;

This is from OP -----the word all -terrible here probably in my opinion represents ----inspire reverence, godly fear, and awe

1 God the All-terrible! King, who ordainest
Great winds Thy clarion, the lightnings Thy sword;
Show forth Thy pity on high where Thou reignest,
Give to us peace in our time, O Lord.

 

[Luce NDs]

The primary rule:

• If you can inspire terror in your surroundings ... you can control it --- the Prince of Avarice ... who resides unknown!

 

[Luce NDs]

Consider it satyr to raise your consciousness!

Then some really don't wish to know this crap!

 

[Hermann]

Even the ones that he wrote in Italian (which is most of them, really, other than The Magic Flute IIRC)?

Yes, even the ones he wrote in Italian, which were most of them. The Magic Flute actually is his best storyline. The music matches the lyrics.

In my opinion, Mozart was a highly gifted composer and musician, one of the world's greatest, but not a very good poet, playwright, or philosopher. That would be too much to expect.

Schubert took the best of German poetry and set it to music. If one looks for great music set to great lyrics, Schubert is it. But the supposedly greates of German poets, Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, did not think so. Schubert send him the musical score to some Goethe poems, together with a dedication, but the old so-and-so did not reply. But Goethe was a straight-laced old aristocrat while Schubert was a young Viennese Bohemian.

 

[Hermann]

I look at the history of hymnody and see that borrowing tunes, whether from existing hymns or from other sources (e.g. singing Away in a Manger to Flow Gently, Sweet Afton) is part of that tradition. So using an old tune for a new set of lyrics is fair game to my eye. I do agree that tinkering with existing lyrics gets a bit iffy at times, but I've seen it done well.

Yes, composing different or new lyrics to an old tune has been practiced all along, but tweaking existing lyrics to make them politically correct is another matter. But I don't object strenuously. If people want to do it, let them do it. I, personally, would rather invent new lyrics or write a totally new song.

 

[Hermann]

Consider it satyr to raise your consciousness!

Then some really don't wish to know this crap!

Hi Luce:

You want a consciousness-raising/falling hymn:

Sleepers, wake! The watch are calling,
From Zion's towers the notes are falling:
A-wake! A-wake! Je-ru-sa-lem!

I featured this hymn a few times in my lay services, but the congregation said: "What did you pick this Jehovas Witnesses hymn for?" Well, to me, it is a consciousness-raising hymn. I like the way the notes are falling in the last line, like the new consciousness falling from heaven, awakening us to a higher awareness.

 

[Justme]

Not in English. In English, we say "terrific". In French, "terrible" can be either good or bad, depending on the context.

http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/22837/origins-of-the-word-terrible

That hymn looks suspiciously like it was written in English.

But "terrible" does mean to "fill with fear". People with more biblical knowledge than me can quote the places that tell people to fear God.
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[FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]I'm not sure about that - my Grandmother (and sometimes me!) say things like it was "awfully good" and I can remember her saying that someone was "terribly good at...". I think it's similar to people saying things are "wicked" when they mean good and not like the witch. Language evolves and is fascinating.[/FONT]

 

[Carolla]

Language is fascinating - I agree Justme.

 

[Carolla]

I didn't mind the closing hymn ... I found the 2nd verse interesting .... imaging all the students heading off for summer holidays & singing ...

Bless Thou all our days of leisure;
Help us selfish lures to flee;
Sanctify our every pleasure;
Pure and blameless may it be;
May our gladness,may our gladness
Draw us evermore to thee.​

 

[Luce NDs]

Hi Luce:

You want a consciousness-raising/falling hymn:

Sleepers, wake! The watch are calling,
From Zion's towers the notes are falling:
A-wake! A-wake! Je-ru-sa-lem!

I featured this hymn a few times in my lay services, but the congregation said: "What did you pick this Jehovas Witnesses hymn for?" Well, to me, it is a consciousness-raising hymn. I like the way the notes are falling in the last line, like the new consciousness falling from heaven, awakening us to a higher awareness.

Hermann,
Would the Zions be a Sion of transcendence or how things alter in altruistic entanglement theory? Thus the encounter of body, spirit and soul ... the soul usually being beyond as an OBI regarding far-out psyche --- Webster Syblings!

 

[Luce NDs]

Didn't Dan Brown raise consciousness on the matter of Scion Dai ... and few institutional spirits got it? Little grasp of the abstract ...

 

[Hermann]

Hermann,
Would the Zions be a Sion of transcendence or how things alter in altruistic entanglement theory? Thus the encounter of body, spirit and soul ... the soul usually being beyond as an OBI regarding far-out psyche --- Webster Syblings!

Yes.

 

[Luce NDs]

Hermann,
King Henry VIII would have liked you better than Thomas More ... you are more agreeable to unknowns ...

 

[Luce NDs]

Thomas wouldn't admit to his unknowns as Henry was absolute about much of it!

 

[Luce NDs]

Is what we don't know an immense domain? If you don't believe in infinite ... is one infi-dell, or thus down the hole? Leads to awareness of something's befallen ...

I'm told as an amateur I'm not to go there as I'm not certified in the field of Zero lo'jiz (later translated to lo'Giç. or LOGOS) ... or what once was known a theologie ... like psychology I'm told this is the etude of nothing ... or approximately what we know in an infinite exPans as Pans been eliminated ... by abstraction ... or the lyre of thought ... flat toute!

If we are patient will some knowledge and thought about this come to us and then we can sing Oh God I Come and really in reverse psychology the thought came to yah ... but ho'd admit to something you didn't know afore approaching a hostile?

This almost appears as cataclysmic incident in the mind of monks pondering the sociability of separate sects ... that could be cultivated into an organism if cultivated unknowingly ... as most children arrive due to what we don't know.

Consider the lack of intelligence in overpopulating the Earth ... is that sign of lack of respective mearth and corruption of words and letters so the authorities won't know we're pondering their Ayres? Is that divination or what ... the schism of soul as a rift in nothing ... at least of the domain where we put what we don't know ... and thus medical people call the brain the largest gonad in the body ...

When you look at life from soul's IDe is everything ridiculous, or just unreal?

 

[Luce NDs]

Myths being formless can be shaped into many sides which will not be retained due to fluidity of condensed vaporous thingys!

There's just no end to them ...

 

[Mendalla]

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