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Its interesting that Satan requires permission from God (in the Bible) before he can do anything....all power comes from God.
God created everything including Satan, and God is the author of evil. Isaiah 45:7.
Satan used to be a beautiful and magnificent angel who fell from heaven.
 
God is the author of evil
Which points to a God who is rather more complex than the all-seeing, all-knowing, all-good deity some people claim to believe in. Or maybe a God who is not the "controller" of Creation but the "leader" trying to influence Creation. Back to process again, in other words.
 
God created everything including Satan, and God is the author of evil. Isaiah 45:7
this is borderline Blasphemy ----saying a Holy God created evil -----

That is flat out False Doctrine -----verse 7 is not saying that at all --


God's word says this

The thrice-holy God (Isaiah 6:3) has no pleasure in wickedness

(Psalm 5:4), does not tempt any man with evil

(James 1:13), and loves righteousness and hates wickedness

Psalm 45:7)
. God does not cause evil.


This vers 7 is saying that God causes darkness -----darkness here in this scripture means --obscurity --withholding light ---be dim --it has nothing to do with evil ---


Strong's Concordance
choshek: darkness, obscurity
Isaiah 45:7

Darkness is just the absence of Light -----the dark is not evil -----the Person Satan is the evil one ---

God created everything including Satan
NO ---that is false Also ---

God created Lucifer ---a good and perfect angel ----who became Prideful and Rebelled against God and God changed His name to Satan ------which means Adversary ------Lucifer ---now Satan--- created his own evil and passed it one to us humans through him deceiving Eve and then Eve ask Adam to take the fruit and he took it of his own free will and disobeyed God's Command --and Adam passed the evil on to us ------ that is how evil came to be -------
 
Why? Why did God give him, or at least accept him in, that role? Because in a true monotheist system, he can't be a evil counterpart/foil to God, as Ahriman is to Ahuramazda in dualist Zoroastrianism, so God must in some way condone Satan playing that role. If he didn't, the all-powerful Creator of All That Is should be able to just stomp on him.
The ways of God, I believe, can be mighty complex, Mendalla, and also mysterious at least in part to. My belief is that there's only one deity, only one ultimate power, so that, yes, God allows the devil to exist and to be the temptor. They aren't equals. It's not two equal beings facing off against each other. I believe that God allows Satan to exist as the temptor to test and refine human faith.

At the same time, I do hold that the devil exists as a defeated foe. Jesus won the victory over him by dieing on the cross and rising again. Jesus shares that victory with Christians, all who have saving faith in Him
 
Its interesting that Satan requires permission from God (in the Bible) before he can do anything....all power comes from God.
God created everything including Satan, and God is the author of evil. Isaiah 45:7.
The Amplified Bible Classic Edition is helpful in understanding that verse. It reads...

"I form the light and create darkness, I make peace [national well-being] and I create [physical] evil (calamity); I am the Lord, Who does all these things." - Isaiah 45:7 (AMPC)

And there's a footnote "Moral evil proceeds from the will of men, but physical evil proceeds from the will of God."

Source: biblegateway.com

To me, it seems to be speaking of God being sovereign over natural disasters
 
God created Lucifer ---a good and perfect angel ----who became Prideful and Rebelled against God and God changed His name to Satan ------which means Adversary ------Lucifer ---now Satan--- created his own evil and passed it one to us humans through him deceiving Eve and then Eve ask Adam to take the fruit and he took it of his own free will and disobeyed God's Command --and Adam passed the evil on to us ------ that is how evil came to be -------

Please give me some biblical support for this rather fanciful story.

I know the story. It's totally from Milton's Paradise Lost, but it's got zero mention in the bible, sorry.
 
Satan to exist as the temptor to test and refine human faith.
Satan does not test us ---Satan Tempts us to sin and rebel against God --


Satan and his demons are constantly tempting human beings to sin against God, and the Bible gives us many examples. The devil “prowls around like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour” (1 Peter 5:8). Satan fills people’s hearts with lies (Acts 5:3). He is “the tempter” (1 Thessalonians 3:5).

In Satan’s temptation of Eve in Genesis 3 and in his temptation of Jesus in Matthew 4, we see the tactics he used and still uses with us. While varied in their details, most temptations fall into one of three categories listed in 1 John 2:16: the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life.

In Satan’s first temptation of Jesus, he appealed to the lust of the flesh. Jesus was very hungry, and Satan tempted Him to use His power to make bread for Himself. Jesus resisted the temptation, but the encounter shows that Satan does not play fair. He exploits our physical weaknesses and kicks us when we’re down. He knows the weak places in our flesh and looks for opportunities to stir illicit passions inside our hearts.

When Satan tempted Eve to eat the forbidden fruit, he suggested to her that the Lord was keeping something delicious from her (Genesis 3:6). When he tempts us with the lust of the flesh, he points to a natural desire and suggests that we should meet it in our own selfish way. Eve’s natural desire for food was not wrong, but Satan exploited it. That desire became sin when she fulfilled it in an ungodly way. Sexual immorality begins with a natural desire for intimacy. But if we have not allowed Jesus to become a greater passion, the tempter may convince us that we must meet this need our own way.

The second way Satan tempts us is through the lust of the eyes. Eve’s eyes told her something about the fruit that conflicted with what God had said about it. Eve’s eyes rebelled against God’s commandment and “saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye” (Genesis 3:6). Our eyes play a major role in our decision-making. We see something we want, and our flesh agrees that we must have it. In this age of visual overstimulation, our eyes take in millions of bits of information through the day, and, unless we filter that information through a pure heart (Matthew 5:8; Psalm 24:4), our eyes will lead us into sin.

Samson started his downhill slide with the lust of the eyes. Judges 14—16 details Samson’s flirtation with sin and the tragic results. As God’s chosen leader, Samson had no business hanging out in Philistine territory, much less flirting with their women. But his eyes led him into sin: “Then Samson went down to Timnah and saw . . . one of the daughters of the Philistines. So he came back and told his father and mother, ‘I saw a woman. . . . Get her for me, for she looks good to me” (Judges 14:1–3, emphasis added, NASB).

When Satan tempted Jesus, he tried to get the Son of God to lust with His eyes, showing the Lord all the kingdoms of the world and offering to give Him everything—without the cross. Jesus defeated Satan’s temptation with the Word of God (Luke 4:8; cf. Deuteronomy 6:13). Despite what His eyes saw, Jesus would not be swayed by it. Therefore, in Jesus’ case, Satan could not exploit the lust of the eyes.

The pride of life is a weakness we all succumb to at times. Satan tempts us with the desire to be our own gods, and he is adept at stroking our ego. Eve’s desire to be made wise led her to sin in Genesis 3. In her pride of life, she rejected the Lord’s right to rule over her and chose instead to make her own decisions. In essence, she became her own god. Christians can play into Satan’s hands when we hold out on full surrender to the lordship of Jesus. We tend to give more consideration to pleasing other people than to pleasing God. We like to retain “veto power,” just in case God wants us to do something we don’t want to do.

Satan tempted Jesus with the pride of life in Luke 4:9–11. He gave Jesus an opportunity to “show off” and publicly prove that He was the Son of God. The act would involve a spectacular miracle, the Father’s care, and many angels. Jesus’ response to Satan’s third temptation was to again quote Scripture (Luke 4:12; cf. Deuteronomy 6:16).

Satan tempts us in many ways, but “we are not unaware of his schemes” (2 Corinthians 2:11). We know he masquerades as an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11:14), trying to make evil look good. We know he manipulates with false guilt, exploits natural weaknesses, and twists Scripture. We know he deceives and distracts and destroys. He has many fiery darts, but they are all quenched with the shield of faith (Ephesians 6:16). We can overcome the temptations of Satan, because “the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world” (1 John 4:4).

Satan may tempt us through the lust of the flesh, but we “do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit” (Romans 8:4). Satan may tempt us through the lust of the eyes, but our prayer is “Turn my eyes away from worthless things; preserve my life according to your word” (Psalm 119:37). Satan may tempt us through the pride of life, but we humble ourselves continually before the Lord (1 Peter 5:6; James 4:10)

God Tests us to see where our faith lies ----and to strengthen our Character ----

 
Please give me some biblical support for this rather fanciful story.
Read away ----

Why Was Lucifer Cast Out of Heaven?​


The Bible portrays Lucifer's fall from grace as a consequence of his sinful pride and defiance against God's authority. We read a description of Lucifer's fall in Ezekiel 28:


Babylon and Lucifer​

Isaiah 14

Isaiah 14 – All About Satan

The Story of Lucifer - How Did He Fall and Become Satan?​

Christianity.com
https://www.christianity.com › ... › Angels and Demons

He became corrupt, and his name changed from Lucifer (“morning star”) to Satan (“adversary”). His power became completely perverted (Isaiah 14:12,16,17). And .
 
So, as I said, no real biblical basis for the Lucifer angel into satan story except for stray cobbled together hebrew scripture passages?
 
So, as I said, no real biblical basis for the Lucifer angel into satan story except for stray cobbled together hebrew scripture passages?
Not surprised at your Comment here ----

God says this

1 Corinthians 2:14

AMP
But the natural [unbelieving] man does not accept the things [the teachings and revelations] of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness [absurd and illogical] to him; and he is incapable of understanding them, because they are spiritually discerned and appreciated, [and he is unqualified to judge spiritual matters].
 
The ways of God, I believe, can be mighty complex, Mendalla, and also mysterious at least in part to. My belief is that there's only one deity, only one ultimate power, so that, yes, God allows the devil to exist and to be the temptor. They aren't equals. It's not two equal beings facing off against each other. I believe that God allows Satan to exist as the temptor to test and refine human faith.

At the same time, I do hold that the devil exists as a defeated foe. Jesus won the victory over him by dieing on the cross and rising again. Jesus shares that victory with Christians, all who have saving faith in Him

Then you get all these experts that come around and lead us to believe that only they know about God because of a singular book ... while that tome indicates there are far more numerous vectors of de light ... λ sometimes known as de lamb dah ...

The more I learn, the more I see the great unknown expands ... this really pisses off the prior authorities and echoes of the early commands about one and the following portion as an icon ... the shadow of as' mile ...

I once heard that God had an advocate and the deviate did too ... thus forming a diabolical enigma for entertaining those out of it ... the rest (kind of a remainder factor).

My goal is to try and observe everything that passes by, although with all the oblivion caused by brutes ... there is much pall to form shrouds and veils ... under that ... God knows! It is said they go everywhere in the real world because of their unreality and complexity of essence ... a ideal gasser! No parroting ...

The rumor in reality zone is that I am nothing and no one can do anything about nothing ... there are other qualities and characters advocated about nothing ... providing leagues of myth ... as confusing as all the intermingled lies about authority down here! Can such things be unwound?
 
This point is where I agree with Judaism and Islam about the One God that all of Creation is in relationship with.

I do not believe that Jesus was God. But I also don't believe in a second evil god that is different than god, aka Satan/Devil/Lucifer. And of course, these beliefs do not necessitate the theological writhing required by The Trinity.
 
There is no biblical evidence for the Lucifer in Paradise Lost. The Devil that is part of popular culture makes no sense in modern Christianity. We do not need to blame human depravity or viciousness on a mythical being.
 
The Lucifer we see in Paradise Lost is wyrdly beautiful and quite seductive as a personality.

Milton and Dante are pretty well single-handedly responsible for a lot of theological ideas about evil and discord.
 
The Whole point of Satan is to get everyone who he can to believe He doesn't exist or he isn't real ----and many have fallen for his deception and trickery -----this makes it easy for him to keep people from God and His word ----as he then has full access to your thought life ----

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Satan does not test us ---Satan Tempts us to sin and rebel against God --


Satan and his demons are constantly tempting human beings to sin against God, and the Bible gives us many examples. The devil “prowls around like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour” (1 Peter 5:8). Satan fills people’s hearts with lies (Acts 5:3). He is “the tempter” (1 Thessalonians 3:5).

In Satan’s temptation of Eve in Genesis 3 and in his temptation of Jesus in Matthew 4, we see the tactics he used and still uses with us. While varied in their details, most temptations fall into one of three categories listed in 1 John 2:16: the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life.

In Satan’s first temptation of Jesus, he appealed to the lust of the flesh. Jesus was very hungry, and Satan tempted Him to use His power to make bread for Himself. Jesus resisted the temptation, but the encounter shows that Satan does not play fair. He exploits our physical weaknesses and kicks us when we’re down. He knows the weak places in our flesh and looks for opportunities to stir illicit passions inside our hearts.

When Satan tempted Eve to eat the forbidden fruit, he suggested to her that the Lord was keeping something delicious from her (Genesis 3:6). When he tempts us with the lust of the flesh, he points to a natural desire and suggests that we should meet it in our own selfish way. Eve’s natural desire for food was not wrong, but Satan exploited it. That desire became sin when she fulfilled it in an ungodly way. Sexual immorality begins with a natural desire for intimacy. But if we have not allowed Jesus to become a greater passion, the tempter may convince us that we must meet this need our own way.

The second way Satan tempts us is through the lust of the eyes. Eve’s eyes told her something about the fruit that conflicted with what God had said about it. Eve’s eyes rebelled against God’s commandment and “saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye” (Genesis 3:6). Our eyes play a major role in our decision-making. We see something we want, and our flesh agrees that we must have it. In this age of visual overstimulation, our eyes take in millions of bits of information through the day, and, unless we filter that information through a pure heart (Matthew 5:8; Psalm 24:4), our eyes will lead us into sin.

Samson started his downhill slide with the lust of the eyes. Judges 14—16 details Samson’s flirtation with sin and the tragic results. As God’s chosen leader, Samson had no business hanging out in Philistine territory, much less flirting with their women. But his eyes led him into sin: “Then Samson went down to Timnah and saw . . . one of the daughters of the Philistines. So he came back and told his father and mother, ‘I saw a woman. . . . Get her for me, for she looks good to me” (Judges 14:1–3, emphasis added, NASB).

When Satan tempted Jesus, he tried to get the Son of God to lust with His eyes, showing the Lord all the kingdoms of the world and offering to give Him everything—without the cross. Jesus defeated Satan’s temptation with the Word of God (Luke 4:8; cf. Deuteronomy 6:13). Despite what His eyes saw, Jesus would not be swayed by it. Therefore, in Jesus’ case, Satan could not exploit the lust of the eyes.

The pride of life is a weakness we all succumb to at times. Satan tempts us with the desire to be our own gods, and he is adept at stroking our ego. Eve’s desire to be made wise led her to sin in Genesis 3. In her pride of life, she rejected the Lord’s right to rule over her and chose instead to make her own decisions. In essence, she became her own god. Christians can play into Satan’s hands when we hold out on full surrender to the lordship of Jesus. We tend to give more consideration to pleasing other people than to pleasing God. We like to retain “veto power,” just in case God wants us to do something we don’t want to do.

Satan tempted Jesus with the pride of life in Luke 4:9–11. He gave Jesus an opportunity to “show off” and publicly prove that He was the Son of God. The act would involve a spectacular miracle, the Father’s care, and many angels. Jesus’ response to Satan’s third temptation was to again quote Scripture (Luke 4:12; cf. Deuteronomy 6:16).

Satan tempts us in many ways, but “we are not unaware of his schemes” (2 Corinthians 2:11). We know he masquerades as an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11:14), trying to make evil look good. We know he manipulates with false guilt, exploits natural weaknesses, and twists Scripture. We know he deceives and distracts and destroys. He has many fiery darts, but they are all quenched with the shield of faith (Ephesians 6:16). We can overcome the temptations of Satan, because “the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world” (1 John 4:4).

Satan may tempt us through the lust of the flesh, but we “do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit” (Romans 8:4). Satan may tempt us through the lust of the eyes, but our prayer is “Turn my eyes away from worthless things; preserve my life according to your word” (Psalm 119:37). Satan may tempt us through the pride of life, but we humble ourselves continually before the Lord (1 Peter 5:6; James 4:10)

God Tests us to see where our faith lies ----and to strengthen our Character ----

Much of what you've written here to me I agree with, unsafe. However, I wanted to address again the idea that Satan tests us.

It seems that in Job 1:6-12, Satan strikes an agreement with God wherein he can test Job's faith. "The LORD said to Satan [1:6], 'All right, then. Everything Job has is in your power [L hand], but you must not touch Job himself [L but don't send your hand against him].' Then Satan [1:6] left the LORD's presence." (EXB). What is that, if not God allowing Satan to test Job's faith?

And in James 1:2-4, we get this, "My brothers and sisters [C fellow believers], when you have many kinds of troubles [trials; testing], you should be full of joy [L consider it all/pure joy], because you know that these troubles test your faith, and this will give you patience [perseverance; endurance]. [L And] Let your patience [perseverance; endurance] show itself perfectly in what you do [have its full effect; finish its work]. Then you will be perfect and complete [mature and whole; or completely mature] and will have everything you need [L lack nothing]." While that doesn't directly mention Satan, it talks about the testing of faith through trials producing perseverance
 
I agree with, unsafe. However, I wanted to address again the idea that Satan tests us.
But here I disagree with you as God was testing Job's faith not Satan God allowed Satan to bring Calamity on Job ----so God could show Satan that his Faith would remain steadfast in Him -----Satan temps and destroys us -----so I think you have a wrong conclusion here -----but if that is what you want to believe then that is your right ---I see it different
 
But here I disagree with you as God was testing Job's faith not Satan God allowed Satan to bring Calamity on Job ----so God could show Satan that his Faith would remain steadfast in Him -----Satan temps and destroys us -----so I think you have a wrong conclusion here -----but if that is what you want to believe then that is your right ---I see it different
Respect your perspective, unsafe. Have a good evening
 
Yet still this great divide between a duality that lives to make you believe they are in control ... an because of quantum stretches (deep space) all avarice is displaced ... as are control freaks ... in reality this is a self generated chaos ... powers love to impose it and blame it on their alter the counter person ... accountant? Isn't that Matthew? Thus the adder ... it too goes round ...
 
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