Hurricane Helene damage ‘biblical’ say North Carolina officials

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The storms are coming more forceful and deadly ------Birth pangs ---Folks
this storm said to be not just Biblical but Apocalyptic---cat 4 hit this region ----

God is teaching people here -----Don't trust your stuff to save you in the Storms of life -----your stuff can be piled up in a heap of destruction

And this climate change Folks is not made by any man ---you are all being Duped by the evil one --God is in charge of the weather and He is showing that this earth will be destroyed by Him ---on His terms and in His time -----Man has nothing to do with what will happen to this earth nor can Man save it ---

Fire will destroy this earth as per scripture -----and this will purify this evil earth to make way for the God's NEW Earth where only His Children will inhabit as per Scripture ---

 
There is no way I can live my life believing that way. Every.

What about climate change? How does that play into it?

I fail to see how anyone can follow the teachings of Christ with such a pessimistic world view.
 
What about climate change? How does that play into it?
It's the real reason we are getting more intense storms. Climate scientists and meteorologists have been saying at least going back to Katrina.

I am guessing "biblical" here is a figure of speech rather than literal but, then again, it is the US South so who knows. I would need to read more.
 
God is teaching people here -----Don't trust your stuff to save you in the Storms of life -----your stuff can be piled up in a heap of destruction
Could you have your God teach the world these lessons without killing hundreds of people?

Why do you believe in this monster of a god? Why do you think your god is good? How many dead people would it take for you to step back and think, "God, you went a little far there."

Do you think your god is angry because Donald Trump is slightly ahead in the North Carolina polls?

All I have in response to your post is questions. I don't understand how someone can be like you are. How your morals are so twisted. How you worship something so evil yet obviously made up.
 
The storms are coming more forceful and deadly ------Birth pangs ---Folks
this storm said to be not just Biblical but Apocalyptic---cat 4 hit this region ----

God is teaching people here -----Don't trust your stuff to save you in the Storms of life -----your stuff can be piled up in a heap of destruction

And this climate change Folks is not made by any man ---you are all being Duped by the evil one --God is in charge of the weather and He is showing that this earth will be destroyed by Him ---on His terms and in His time -----Man has nothing to do with what will happen to this earth nor can Man save it ---

Fire will destroy this earth as per scripture -----and this will purify this evil earth to make way for the God's NEW Earth where only His Children will inhabit as per Scripture ---

Wow, unsafe, just wow. You know, I said a little something about Hurricane Helene in my sermon this past Sunday. But whereas you here want to attribute it directly to God punishing, er, teaching, people, I was more cautious than that. I just used it as introduction to my saying that in the Bible there are times when God punishes people by sending natural disasters on them, or by allowing them to come. I said that it wouldn't be fair for me to state as fact that God had sent Hurricane Helene on the people affected for the same reason. How could I say such a thing when I don't even know the people who were affected. Do you, unsafe? Do you see them as more sinful and more deserving of such a storm as anyone else?

I agree with you that God can control the weather. I believe him to be sovereign over the whole natural world, including the ultimate fate of our planet. I believe he holds his entire Creation in his hands, and guides it according to his perfect will.

That having been said, I also believe that he has given humanity stewardship over the earth. I'm sure you remember that from Genesis, unsafe. So where you say, "Man has nothing to do with what will happen to this earth" I disagree. I feel that our choices and our actions absolutely do matter. Deeply. Because they reflect the partnership that we have with God in caring for the Creation.

One thing we do agree on, unsafe, is that the current earth, with all its wonder and brokenness, is not the final chapter. God does promise a new earth upon which we, his people, will live with him in perfect harmony. Wow, how awesome that will be. Even as we wait for that to occur tomorrow, it's something we must prepare ourselves for today.

God calls us to participate in his great mission of redeeming and restoring the earth. That's called the "missio Dei". Such participation includes things like relationally sharing the Good News of Jesus Christ, becoming spiritually stronger ourselves through Word and Sacrament, and caring for everything that God has made. Including other people. Especially other people. Let's embrace this mission with joy and enthusiasm, unsafe, trusting that our efforts are part of God's great story of redemption. Keep shining :cool:
 
Wow, unsafe, just wow. You know, I said a little something about Hurricane Helene in my sermon this past Sunday. But whereas you here want to attribute it directly to God punishing, er, teaching, people, I was more cautious than that. I just used it as introduction to my saying that in the Bible there are times when God punishes people by sending natural disasters on them, or by allowing them to come. I said that it wouldn't be fair for me to state as fact that God had sent Hurricane Helene on the people affected for the same reason. How could I say such a thing when I don't even know the people who were affected. Do you, unsafe? Do you see them as more sinful and more deserving of such a storm as anyone else?



Jae give yourself a shake ----God Sent a flood to Kill all the wicked people on this earth and destroyed the earth as well -once before ----He only saved Noah because He had Faith In God and obeyed Him --and He allowed Noah to save His Family -------God does punish the wicked --------the people rebelled against God and God had every right to do as He did ----

it was righteous judgment that He displayed ===


Jae -----We are in the last Days now for this earth ----Jesus gives you the signs ----God is going to destroy this whole earth and all the wicked people once again --and it is getting nearer to this time -----

Jae get informed ----read your Scripture ----Matthew 24 Jesus is giving the Signs

Read Jae Read this whole thing for yourself ----I just posted this


In Matthew 24:5–8 Jesus gives us some important clues for discerning the approach of the end times: “Many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains. An increase in false messiahs, an increase in warfare, and increases in famines, plagues, and natural disasters—these are signs of the end times. In this passage, though, we are given a warning: we are not to be deceived, because these events are only the beginning of birth pains; the end is still to come.

Greek word for birth pangs

Strong's Concordance
ódin: a birth pang

Usage: the pain of childbirth, acute pain, severe agony, a snare.
HELPS Word-studies
5604 ōdín – properly, the pain of childbirth (travail); (figuratively) the pain necessary to open up (introduce) something new, i.e. to bring in more.

[5604 (ōdín) suggests intense suffering (similar to birth pain) – hence, "to suffer greatly, great pain" (L & N, 1, 24.87) like "a birth-pang, travail-pain; figuratively, extreme suffering" (A-S).]

God is totally in charge of these Birth pangs ---these are warnings for people to realize they cannot save themselves ----they need a Saviour -----

How many people do you think turned to God and accepted their Salvation after this as you call it Natural disaster ---this is God waking people up as to what is coming in the future ----which is ten thousand times worse than Helene ---

The storms are getting close together and more severe ----Birth Pangs -----Jae -----

God is going to destroy this Earth and all in it once again -----and believe me no one wants to be here when God unleashes His Wrath upon this wicked earth and all in it ---

God gave Adam and Eve the right to be stewarts over this earth and they Screwed this Royalty ----it is Humans who are the bad Stewarts of this earth and God is going to fix what Adam and Eve brought upon themselves and this earth which God Curse ----this planet is CURSED Jae and will remain so till Jesus comes back and win the battle and this earth will be cleansed by Fire ----and then the New Earth will appear -----

These Storms are God's righteous Judgment on this cursed earth and wicked people -----and this is just a sample of the wrath that God is going to unleash on this earth in the future ---

So if your preaching to a Church ---you should be straight and tell the Church what is the truth from the Scripture instead of Sugar Coating the harsh truth -----

Pay attention to verse 11 Jae ----it tells you how God wants people to act before the end comes ----this is what God sending these sufferings are trying to accomplish --God is telling people that they need to look at their Behaviour and change their wicked ways

2 Peter 3:10-11 ----

10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will vanish (pass away) with a thunderous crash, and the material] elements [of the universe] will be dissolved with fire, and the earth and the works that are upon it will be burned up.


11 Since all these things are thus ]in the process of being dissolved, what kind of person ought [each of] you to be [in the meanwhile] in consecrated and holy behavior and devout and godly qualities,
 
Don't look at me, I'm not a Christian. I don't agree with any of that crap by default. You guys have a go.
 
You put Jae up next to unsafe and he's a beacon of decency. I mean, it's still loopy, but the lack of hatefulness and genocide is a nice touch.
 
Jae give yourself a shake ----
Sorry, unsafe, no shakes available. But I did just have a World Cone (similar to a Drumstick). It was delicious.

I think it's great that we share, unsafe, what I consider to be some important beliefs. Correct me if I'm wrong here but we both believe in God, and we both hold him to be all powerful, and Sovereign, and the Creator and Sustainer. We both believe he's omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent. And, hey, I think all that's great.
God Sent a flood to Kill all the wicked people on this earth and destroyed the earth as well -once before ----He only saved Noah because He had Faith In God and obeyed Him --and He allowed Noah to save His Family -------God does punish the wicked --------the people rebelled against God and God had every right to do as He did ----
It's important, I feel, when considering this biblical account to consider the context under which God did such an extreme thing. As they used to tell us back in seminary, "Context is everything." Okay, so the Bible tells us in Genesis 6:11-13, "God saw that everything on the earth had become spoiled. Everywhere, people were attacking each other. God saw how much the earth had become spoiled. Everyone was doing bad things. God said to Noah, 'I will destroy everyone. That is what I have decided to do. Everywhere on the earth, people are attacking each other. Now I will destroy the people and also the earth." So according to this, unsafe, everyone on the whole planet save for Noah was doing bad things including attacking each other.

Is that honestly the situation you imagine was going on in Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, Tennessee, and Virginia before Hurricane Helene caused damage and killed people there - that people were only doing evil such as attacking each other? Or do you think God just wanted to judge the 121 people who were killed.

Did you know that, according to the 2020 US Religion Census, there are a total of about 69,000 churches in those 6 states combined? That kind of, in my opinion anyway, really challenges the idea that everyone was up to no good. By the way, unsafe, that includes several Protestant and evangelical churches that were affected. For instance, First Presbyterian Church in Lakeland, Florida was impacted. In addition, Southern Baptist churches in Live Oak and Perry, Florida were hit. As were some Catholic perishes, and three buildings belonging to the United Church of Christ.

Do you think that all of the people in those churches were attacking each other and only doing bad all the time so God sent to get them?
it was righteous judgment that He displayed ===
In the case of Noah and his world, sure, I believe that, because it's in the Bible. Now, some may think that makes me a naive Christian. So be it. What's your source for holding that God sent Hurricane Helene to judge parts of America?
Jae -----We are in the last Days now for this earth ----Jesus gives you the signs ----God is going to destroy this whole earth and all the wicked people once again --and it is getting nearer to this time -----
God, I believe, is going to make a new earth, a restored earth, a beautiful earth. That new earth will be the very earth we live on today only it will be redeemed. I believe that will happen soon. I believe that Jesus will soon return to the earth in order to bring that about. I believe that our task as Christians now is to invite other people to share in the joy of that new earth with us.
How many people do you think turned to God and accepted their Salvation after this as you call it Natural disaster
I do not know an exact number, unsafe, and neither do you. It is interesting that here you seem to acknowledge that there may be some. Which sets the current stage of the six American states apart from the all-corrupt one that existed in Noah's day.
---this is God waking people up as to what is coming in the future ----which is ten thousand times worse than Helene ---
That's kind of a pessimistic way of seeing things, unsafe. I prefer to look forward to the future. I long for the day when will God will redeem this old rock we live on and usher in a joyous new world. I hold that the best is yet to come. Yes, I agree, there are currently birth pangs. What that says to me is that a joyous event will soon take place.
God is going to destroy this Earth and all in it once again -----and believe me no one wants to be here when God unleashes His Wrath upon this wicked earth and all in it ---
Here you go with the destruction again. Please tell me this, unsafe, exactly which people currently alive do you view as being worthy of judgment such as in Noah's day. You seem to hold, and please forgive me if I'm wrong, that the 121 people killed by Helene were so worthy. Anyone else?

I'm sure those 121 people made some mistakes in their lives, but who hasn't? If God's going to wipe out any and all of us who have ever made a mistake, none of us can have hope. If God's going to destroy all of us who make mistakes as we go along in our lives each day, we're all doomed. Personally, I associate myself with what Paul said of he and the apostles, "We have become like dirty things that people throw away." - 1 Corinthians 4:13b (EASY)
These Storms are God's righteous Judgment on this cursed earth and wicked people -----and this is just a sample of the wrath that God is going to unleash on this earth in the future ---
You're no one to judge the people of those states, and the 121 people in particular, as being wicked. Neither am I. The only one who can judge that, I think we can agree on, is God. Yet here you seem to suggest that you are able to.
So if your preaching to a Church ---you should be straight and tell the Church what is the truth from the Scripture instead of Sugar Coating the harsh truth -----
You should come listen to me preach before you judge my preaching, Really, come on over to South Korea any time. You'll receive a wonderfully warm welcome especially from the other members of my congregation. They are all kinder and more loving folks than I.
Pay attention to verse 11 Jae ----it tells you how God wants people to act before the end comes ----this is what God sending these sufferings are trying to accomplish --God is telling people that they need to look at their Behaviour and change their wicked ways
God, I can agree, may have allowed the storm to hit those states because for some reason he wants to especially draw their people over to him. I don't know why he would particularly choose those places in America, but that's okay. I'm not God. I don't have to know.

At the same time, unsafe, has it occurred to you that one reason God may have allowed the storm to hit there is because he wants to bring people there closer together. You may not know this but there are many organizations there, including many faith-based ones, that are now actively working together in relief efforts. New alliances are forming as people work together to help one another. Groups involved include Salvation Army, Samaritan's Purse, United Way, and others.

Those groups are working together because they are focusing not on judgment, on whose fault the storm was, but on things like compassion and mercy. Jesus had quite a lot to say about those things as well. In seeking to uplift others, those groups are, I believe, living out the true heart of Christ's message. Our response to suffering, unsafe, must always be rooted in love, not in fear or condemnation
 
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Then if the surrounding's we are given are ignored as insignificant to the central issue (ide) is that stupid denial of the weather (environmental item)?

Delinquency of understanding seems also to be a icon of increasing blind emotional states ... and this too could blow! Like that Black Trumpeter ... Gabriel? Sach as it is ... a sad song of blue's! Lo' it did bend ... dippers ...
 
At the same time, unsafe, has it occurred to you that one reason God may have allowed the storm to hit there is because he wants to bring people there closer together.
No Jae there is not one scripture that says God sending or allowing a Storm will bring people closer together ----He sent His Son Jae to die a a terrible death to bring people back to him ----God wants people to accept His Son and have eternal life -----Period ---

This is all about God shaking unbelievers up to see that they nor all that they have worked for all their lives can save them in their destruction ----in their sufferings ---etc ----this is God saying --receive my free Give of Salvation so when you die you will have eternal life ----and when destruction comes on this earth you can be delivered from that Destruction-----

People coming together in disasters and helping one another is a good thing Jae ---but that is not what these devastating storms are about -----they are about people changing their Harden hearts towards God and seeing that they need a Saviour to save then in their time of need -----God is there for the People who come to Him ---He is the Only one who can deliver them out of their Destruction -----

Job lost everything He had and God restored Him with twice as much has he had in the beginning ----God will restore the Faithful but disaster will destroy the wicked -----

These storms are a wake up call for unbelievers Jae -----brought on by God Himself

We humans lost our stewardship of this earth when Adam and Eve committed treason against God and God cursed this earth and everything in it ------and now God is going to rectify what we humans did to His Earth and His Creation all by ourselves

We humans deserve nothing but suffering and devastation ----- for rebelling against God ----

and another thing Jae --- people are warned about these bad storms coming and are told to leave the area and many refuse to leave and try to wait out the storm so they make bad decisions and so they bring on their own destruction

That is not God's fault ----- He has every right to bring on Natural disasters


Genesis 6:11

11 Now the earth was corrupt in God’s sight and was full of violence.



Deuteronomy 31:17

17 And in that day I will become angry with them and forsake them; I will hide my face from them, and they will be destroyed. Many disasters and calamities will come on them, and in that day they will ask, ‘Have not these disasters come on us because our God is not with us?’

Luke 13:1-5

1 Now there were some present at that time who told Jesus about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices.
2 Jesus answered, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans because they suffered this way?

3 I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.

4 Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them—do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem?

5 I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.”



Biblical Disasters
  • Flood The flood of Noah’s time covered all the earth, even higher than the mountains (Genesis 7:10-24).
  • Fire "The heavens will disappear with a roar, the elements will be destroyed by fire, the earth and its works will be burned up" (2Peter 3:10-13).
  • Earthquake "Then God’s voice shook the earth, but now he has promised, 'Once more I will shake not only the earth but also heaven'" (Hebrews 12:25-28, Isaiah 2:19 NKJV, cf Matthew 27:51).
  • Volcano "The mountains melt beneath him and the valleys split apart, like wax before the fire..." (Micah 1:4 NIV, Psalm 97:5).
  • Whirlwind "When your dread comes like a storm and your destruction like a whirlwind..." See Wisdom’s warning (Proverbs 1:27-30).
  • Hailstorm One of the plagues that God sent upon Egypt through Moses, was the worst hailstorm Egypt had ever experienced (Exodus 9:23-26).
  • Famine Joseph said to Pharaoh, "All the abundance in the land of Egypt will be forgotten, and the famine will devastate the land" (Genesis 41:28-36, cf Acts 11:28).
  • Plague "The LORD sent venomous snakes among the people, and many of the Israelites were bitten and died" (Numbers 21:4-9).
  • Epidemic God told Moses, "Festering boils will break out on man and beast throughout all the land of Egypt" (Exodus 9:8-12).
  • War such as Nebuchadnezzar waged on Jerusalem and the land of Israel "Your land is desolate; your cities are burned with fire; foreigners devour your fields before you, a desolation, demolished by strangers; and the daughter of Zion is abandoned..." (Isaiah 1:7-8, cf 2Kings 6:24-31),
  • Shipwreck Luke’s true and uplifting account of surviving shipwreck at Malta when he accompanied Paul to Rome (Acts chapters 27-28).
I say ----All righteous Judgment brought on By God ---to make people see that they need a Heart change ----and Repentance is what God wants from these Disasters that He is bringing upon His Earth ----this is not our Earth -----this is God's Earth -----

With God you can survive the destruction and you will be OK even when it looks dark --the light shines through ------
 
All in all with all those words ... the great mystery survives while people do not ... unless writ up in the log! Sometimes totems ... well carved?
 
Won’t be long now.
After 2000+ years of "Won't be long now," is there a time in the future where (assuming you're still waiting) you'd conceed that, looking back at 2024, you admit you looked pretty silly saying this?

Maybe 2030? 2050?

At what point would you admit you were wrong?
 
Hi unsafe,

Here’s a bit of prophecy you may be interested in. Way to persevere!
Won’t be long now.
:angel:So nice to see a friendly name back ---still not well received here as a bearer of God's truth but so far still here -----always interested in hearing Prophecy -----thanks for posting the video ----

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