Snoopy Examines Exodus

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Waterfall said:
Eventually it's written in stone....but there's always a loophole.
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The Ten Commandments were written stone. Not sure about anything else.

Even written in stone, there are two slightly different versions in the Hebrew Scriptures. :)
 
Waterfall said:
Are you referring to the Noahide laws? Ten Commandments?
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Well Jesus argued with the Pharisees about Sabbath observance, for one thing.
And he argued that the prohibition against adultery didn't go far enough. (Remember lusting after another in one's heart?)

Here we have two examples from the Ten Commandments.

The Noahide laws are not spelled out precisely in the Hebrew Scriptures. I believe you need to look at the Talmud which pulls them together.
 
paradox3 said:
Well Jesus argued with the Pharisees about Sabbath observance, for one thing.
And he argued that the prohibition against adultery didn't go far enough. (Remember lusting after another in one's heart?)

Here we have two examples from the Ten Commandments.

The Noahide laws are not spelled out precisely in the Hebrew Scriptures. I believe you need to look at the Talmud which pulls them together.
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I thought the Noahide laws were all that gentiles had to follow...can't remember where I read that.
 
Waterfall said:
I thought the Noahide laws were all that gentiles had to follow...can't remember where I read that.
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Yes. Exactly.
But the Talmud (i.e. rabbinical opinion) is the source.

Evidently there are a few Noahide communities organizing throughout the world.

The important point is that the 613 laws (those which still apply after the destruction of the Temple) are meant for Jews only.

Gentiles are believed to have a place in the world to come if they follow the Noahide Laws.
 
Mount Sinai is in modern Saudi Arabia, across the Gulf of Suez in the land of Midian where Moses fled after killing the Egyptian slave master.
How did an estimated 2 million Israelites get across the Gulf without boats? How did the many Egyptian chariots get to the bottom of the Gulf, where msny coral f9rmations shaped like contemporary chariot wheels, many with axels attached, can be found today, some with the gold surface still intact?: Is the one spot where a miraculous crossing was conceivable the original Reed Sea crossing site? IDoesthe mass Egyptian loss of chariots there ex-plain the drowing of pursuing Egyptian troops? Fascinating mystery!

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GordW said:
Many have suggested that JEsus was himself a Pharisee arguing with Pharisees from another school.
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There is also the idea he might have been influenced by the Essenes or associated with them for a short time.

The Pharisees seem more likely to me.

Sadducees anyone? I really don't think so. And certainly not the Zealots.
 
The Jewish Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha demonastate that many ancient Jews, besides the Pharisees, believed in an afterlife.
(1) Ir is misguided to consider the rise of rabbinic Judasim after 70 AD as the direct succession Pharisaism. In fact, these ancient rabbis dismiss "the Pharisees" as an extremist Jewish sect.
(2) In Jesus' day there were many Jewish ideologies besides the 3 Jewish sects identified by Josephus--Pharisees, Sadducees, Essences.
(3) Before Jesus' launches His ministry, He was apparently a follower of one one of His relatives, John the Baptist's and John seems to have been an Essene.
(4) In Jesus' day a Jewish man was expected to marry by age 30. Essene monastics were the exception.
(5) The missing years of Jesus' life are hopelessly elusive, but hold the answer to this issue.
Joseph is apparently already dead prior to Jesus' ministry, and as the eldest son, Jesus the woodworker would be expected to care for His widowed mother rather than leave her to join a Jewsh sect.
 
paradox3 said:
There are other factors, too. The Pharisees were interested in reform, hung out in synagogues and enjoyed debate.
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When I am back in the office I can share some links to a 3 part series by Rabbi Danya Ruttenberg on the topic Quite likely in a new thread to avoid sidetracking the discussion of Exodus
 
GordW said:
Many have suggested that JEsus was himself a Pharisee arguing with Pharisees from another school.
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"Many” is misleading. It’s more accurate to say that some scholars and theologians have suggested that Jesus might have been a Pharisee or influenced by Pharisaic teachings
 
Jae said:
"Many” is misleading. It’s more accurate to say that some scholars and theologians have suggested that Jesus might have been a Pharisee or influenced by Pharisaic teachings
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I assume you are opposed to the hypothesis, are you?
 
paradox3 said:
The hypothesis comes from inference, yes.
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It's extrabiblical, and if you really want to go extrabiblical, anyone could dream up and believe anything. This is a reason I believe in upholding the Bible as the ultimate authority on all matters of Christian faith and practice
 
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