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GordW
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It is a mishmash. Remembering that the early Christians were trying to understand what they had experienced in the life, death and resurrection of Jesus they revisioned and reinterpeted a variety of older stories and images. Since Jesus is multi-faceted there are going to be a variety of images used (and some of them may seem incongruent with others at times)
Good comment, Gord. Let's honor the foundational role such traditions play in Jewish faith and identity. For the Jewish people, the Exodus story's a powerful one of God’s rescue, faithfulness, and the real beginning of a friendship with His chosen people.
The Firstborn Son’s Redemption's a reminds them of God’s rescue of Israel's firstborn sons during the Passover in Egypt. It signifies God’s claim on the firstborn and the importance of rescue in their faith journey.
The Feast of Unleavened Bread marks the haste with which the Israelites left Egypt, stressing purity's theme. It's a time for Jewish families to recall God’s mighty acts and to renew their commitment to live according to His commandments.
The use of tefillin reminds them of God’s commandments. It's an expression of devotion.
By grasping these practices within their original context, we'll deepen our appreciation for the continuity of God’s work throughout history. Blessings
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Jae said:
Yes, such as Messiah, Son of God, Son of Man, Lamb of God, Good Shepherd, Light of the World, Prince of Peace, Emmanuel, etc
I don't think there is a scripture calling the Holy Spirit --Holy Mystery by Name ---
I think the only person I have heard that from is jimkenney12
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The Holy Spirit is a person ---the 3rd person of the triune God ------the Scripture reveals the Mystery OF the Holy Spirit who is a Person called the Spirit of Truth -----He is never referred to as the Holy Mystery for His Name in Scripture ==The Holy Spirit reveals the Mystery of the Scripture by and through enlightenment to the true Believer ------
Wouldn't be surprised
Thank you for sharing your deep reflection on the Holy Spirit.I
Indeed, the Holy Spirit plays a crucial role in our grasping and friendship with God.
The Scriptures reveal the Holy Spirit as Truth's Spirit, guiding us into all truth and illuminating God’s Word.
As believers, we're called to embrace the Holy Spirit’s work in us, allowing her to enlighten our hearts and minds. This enlightenment equips us to share the Good News with others, embodying Christ's mission.
In our faith journey, let's continually seek the Holy Spirit’s guidance, trusting that she'll lead us into deeper truths and empower us to boldly live out our faith. May we always be open to her leading, ready to be her love's vessels in a world that so badly needs it.
Blessings to you as you keep exploring the Holy Spirit’s revelation
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Interesting read here on the first born
theheartofisrael.org
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And all the first-born of man among thy sons shalt thou redeem. And it shall be when thy son asketh thee in time to come, saying: What is this? that thou shalt say unto him: By strength of hand the LORD brought us out from Egypt, from the house of bondage;and it came to pass, when Pharaoh would hardly let us go that the LORD slew all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both the first-born of man, and the first-born of beast; therefore I sacrifice to the LORD all that openeth the womb, being males; but all the first-born of my sons I redeem.” (Exodus 13: 13-16)
Originally God intended for all Jewish first-born sons to serve Him in the Temple. They were inducted into service when God spared them from the Plague of the Firstborn in Egypt. However, after the Sin of the Golden Calf, the first-borns lost their status. The Tribe of Levi did not participate in the Sin of the Golden Calf, and so they replaced the first-borns to work in the Holy Temple, with the sons of Aaron being the priestly class.
When a Jewish woman gives birth to her first-born son, the father is obligated to redeem the child from a kohen, a priest. They perform a ceremony called the Pidyon Haben, the Redemption of the Son. The father “buys” his son from the priest to redeem him. As it says in Numbers 18:16, “ And their redemption-money–from a month old shalt thou redeem them–shall be, according to thy valuation, five shekels of silver, after the shekel of the sanctuary–the same is twenty gerahs.”
The obligation only applies if both parents are “Israelites,” not if they are descended from the Tribe of Levi or the priestly class. The obligation begins when the baby is 30 days old, and so the Pidyon Haben ceremony is traditionally held at 31 days. If a boy reaches the age of 13 without being redeemed, he becomes responsible for his redemption, and must perform the ceremony, himself. A party is held, with bread, meat, and wine. Friends and family gather for this momentous occasion. Blessings are recited, the father gives the priest 5 silver coins, and his son is redeemed.
Because there are very strict guidelines about who must be redeemed, only 1 in 10 families performs the pidyon haben ceremony. This special ceremony is a momentous occasion and special milestone, stretching back thousands of years. The Jewish people have maintained their lineage all the way back to before they received the Commandments. Maintaining the commandment of Pidyon Haben keeps traditions alive, as well as our connection to our roots, tracing back generations. We remember that God protected our first-born sons from the Plague of the First Born in Egypt, and we pray that He continues to protect us and all of His children and the Land of Israel.
Redeeming firstborn sons - The Heart Of Israel
“And all the first-born of man among thy sons shalt thou redeem. And it shall be when thy son asketh thee in time to come, saying: What is this? that thou shalt say unto him: By strength of hand the LORD brought us out from Egypt, from the house of bondage;and it came to pass, when […]
theheartofisrael.org
Risi Adler
REDEEMING FIRSTBORN SONS
And all the first-born of man among thy sons shalt thou redeem. And it shall be when thy son asketh thee in time to come, saying: What is this? that thou shalt say unto him: By strength of hand the LORD brought us out from Egypt, from the house of bondage;and it came to pass, when Pharaoh would hardly let us go that the LORD slew all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both the first-born of man, and the first-born of beast; therefore I sacrifice to the LORD all that openeth the womb, being males; but all the first-born of my sons I redeem.” (Exodus 13: 13-16)
Originally God intended for all Jewish first-born sons to serve Him in the Temple. They were inducted into service when God spared them from the Plague of the Firstborn in Egypt. However, after the Sin of the Golden Calf, the first-borns lost their status. The Tribe of Levi did not participate in the Sin of the Golden Calf, and so they replaced the first-borns to work in the Holy Temple, with the sons of Aaron being the priestly class.
When a Jewish woman gives birth to her first-born son, the father is obligated to redeem the child from a kohen, a priest. They perform a ceremony called the Pidyon Haben, the Redemption of the Son. The father “buys” his son from the priest to redeem him. As it says in Numbers 18:16, “ And their redemption-money–from a month old shalt thou redeem them–shall be, according to thy valuation, five shekels of silver, after the shekel of the sanctuary–the same is twenty gerahs.”
The obligation only applies if both parents are “Israelites,” not if they are descended from the Tribe of Levi or the priestly class. The obligation begins when the baby is 30 days old, and so the Pidyon Haben ceremony is traditionally held at 31 days. If a boy reaches the age of 13 without being redeemed, he becomes responsible for his redemption, and must perform the ceremony, himself. A party is held, with bread, meat, and wine. Friends and family gather for this momentous occasion. Blessings are recited, the father gives the priest 5 silver coins, and his son is redeemed.
Because there are very strict guidelines about who must be redeemed, only 1 in 10 families performs the pidyon haben ceremony. This special ceremony is a momentous occasion and special milestone, stretching back thousands of years. The Jewish people have maintained their lineage all the way back to before they received the Commandments. Maintaining the commandment of Pidyon Haben keeps traditions alive, as well as our connection to our roots, tracing back generations. We remember that God protected our first-born sons from the Plague of the First Born in Egypt, and we pray that He continues to protect us and all of His children and the Land of Israel.
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Bible Gateway passage: Exodus 13:17-22 - New Revised Standard Version Updated Edition
The Pillars of Cloud and Fire - When Pharaoh let the people go, God did not lead them by way of the land of the Philistines, although that was nearer, for God thought, “If the people face war, they may change their minds and return to Egypt.” So God led the people by the roundabout way of the...
The Israelites leave Egypt, taking with them the bones of Joseph and prepared for battle.
God chooses a roundabout route so they can avoid the Philistines. God leads in a pillar of cloud by day and a pillar of fire by night.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. It’s a powerful passage that reminds us believers of God’s unwavering guidance and presence during challenging times.Snoopy's Snappy Review: Exodus 13: 17-22
The journey will not be easy but the people can count on God to lead them.
What's with the pillars of smoke and fire? Is God contained within them or has God transformed?
The pillars are fascinating symbols. They represent God’s presence and his commitment to lead and protect his people. They are manifestations of his guidance. The pillars provided the Israelites with a visible assurance that God was with them, guiding them.
In our own journeys, we believers can trust that God's always with us, leading us through life. He led the Israelites, He leads us believers today, often in ways we might not immediately recognize.
Blessings on your journey. May you always feel God’s guiding presence in your life
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An author whose name I have forgotten (Valikovsky?) wrote a book called Worlds in Collision in the 1959s. He studied mythology from around the world and concluded that ancient humans saw the birth of Venus from Jupiter, Venus had an erratic path through space until it finally settled into its current orbit, that its atmosphere would be hydrocarbons and very hot (when astronomers assumed it was a water planet), that it passed close to Mars and stripped off the atmosphere from Mars, and that it was close enough to Earth for awhile for the Earth to strip off some of its hydrocarbons creating the rich oil fields of the Middle east. The column of smoke and fire was the column of hydrocarbons being stripped from Venus. He was vilified by most or all scientists who believed there was nothing scientifically useful to be gained from studying ancient myths.Snoopy's Snappy Review: Exodus 13: 17-22
The journey will not be easy but the people can count on God to lead them.
What's with the pillars of smoke and fire? Is God contained within them or has God transformed?
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And also because there is literally no astronomical evidence for Venus ever having been birthed from Jupiter. In fact, a rocky planet could not be "birthed from Jupiter" which is not itself a rocky planet. All observational evidence we have points to Venus forming in its current orbit from the cloud of gas and dust that formed the early solar system. Mars losing its atmosphere happened, as far as we can tell, because it's core cooled and settled enough that it stopped producing a magnetic field, allowing the solar wind to strip away much of it. Same thing would happen to Earth if we lost our magnetic field. Again, that's the explanation that fits all scientifically observable evidence. Velikovsky's idea simply aren't backed up by any observations, which are what matter when we try to explain how the universe works. When myths contradict actual observations, observations have to win, else we have given up on science. No one save conspiracy cranks take his work seriously anymore.
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That is where I know the expression from. However it speaks to a side of the God we meet in Scripture who can not be wholly known. I would not necessarily apply it to Jesus though.
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You are so right the pillar of cloud was day time guidance --pillar of fire was night time guidance ----and it shows God's Faithfulness to His Children and it reminds us the God never leaves His children no forsakes them ------and this is also for today -----
Powerful and encouraging for those who Believe -----
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Today you need to receive Jesus in your heart to have God's guidance in this present day ---When you receive Jesus in your heart you are indwelled with the Holy spirit who then Guides the person in their God given leadership ----
God dealt directly with the people in the Old Testament ---that has changed since God sent his Son to be the bridge to reconnect us to God -----without receiving Jesus your leadership is directed by the god of this world -----
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Assuming that God only communicates with Christians again I see...
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