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Liberals were warned in 2017 Jasper was a ‘tinderbox’​

Maligne Lodge, JasperFiles
https://www.westernstandard.news/author/shaunpolczer
Shaun Polczer

Published on:
25 Jul 2024, 3:34 pm

The Liberal government was warned as early as 2017 that Jasper was a “tinderbox” waiting to explode but climate activists within the government refused to alter the “pristine environment.”

The Jasper National Park Management Plan identified the mountain pine beetle as a major risk for wildfires as far back as July 22, 2016.

“Mountain pine beetle expansion in Jasper National Park and associated forest ‘may’ increase wildfire risk to values on neighboring land," said the plan.

The Alberta Forest Service and Parks Canada approved a forest management plan but it was rejected by the Liberal government, documents show.

In 2018, a pair of retired forestry workers who had worked in Jasper for more than 40 years, Emile Begin and Ken Hodges, warned officials at Parks Canada that a major fire in the Jasper area was “an inevitability” if it didn’t take steps to remove the abundance of dead fuel from the pine beetle.

“You’ve got a major catastrophe on your hands if you get a match thrown into that,” they said.

Parks Canada officials described pine beetle infestation as “natural” and were reluctant to do anything about it.

"Climate change didn’t leave acres of dead trees next to a beautiful mountain town for 7 years.

The (Trudeau) government did."
 
Of course it's Trudeau's fault. :rolleyes:

First off, it's too early to be pointing fingers. People have been displaced and dust needs to settle.

There are many factors that go into this. The fire fighters stated that a wind came up that blew the fire into the town. They had not seen such a wind before (or often). Apparently things changed very quickly at that point. Is that Trudeau's fault?

Yes, pine beetle and forestry management are probably one factor.

Climate change is probably a factor. We've seen more extreme weather conditions in the past few years.

I'm sure there are more factors.

It is simplistic thinking to suggest only one factor is to blame.
 
And as long as we try and support infinite economic growth based on finite sources ... we must continue to find a way out of the enigma we find ourselves in ...

Thus desires to corrupt the heavens with earthy glory of vast exponential-ism ... and alien essence up there ... how will the stuff condense from said matter of grinding conflict? It does go round ... and thus we return to the initiate and wondering how that cane be critically screwed up with emotional intervention, a type of inter predation and internal gnawing to the social bone ... we are a Cael people ... blew it like Cain ... so it goes down ...
 
I should explain why I don't believe Smiths explanation. I lost all respect when she said cancer is completely within your control up to stage 3. That's BS. Some people said that statement was taken out of context. I heard the context and couldn't see how it could have been anything that would justify that stupid statement. If she was misinterpreted, she could have explained herself. Instead she doubled down.

That's not her only stupid belief or comment.
 
Two more byelections coming this Fall, including LaSalle—Émard—Verdun in Montreal, a "safe" Liberal seat vacated by the resignation of former justice minister David Lametti. Right now, it looks like that one will be a race between the Liberals and the Bloc, with the Conservatives and NDP lagging. The other is Elmwood—Transcona in Winnipeg which is historically a strong NDP riding with the Conservatives second (they did win it in Harper's majority, though) so less of a concern for Trudeau since his party is normally not a factor there anyhow.

Two more byelections to test Liberals and Trudeau called for September

Byelections will go ahead in Winnipegâs ElmwoodâTranscona and another in Montrealâs LaSalleâÃmardâVerdun riding
nationalpost.com nationalpost.com
 
WhyCzar said:
www.stalbertgazette.com

Trudeau's hand-picked candidate for Montreal byelection riles aspiring contenders

OTTAWA — Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's decision to hand-pick a candidate for a riding in an upcoming Montreal byelection isn't being well-received by three aspiring contenders who spent months campaigning only to be shunted aside.
www.stalbertgazette.com www.stalbertgazette.com
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It's not like the two big parties have not both done that many times before. Pushing locals aside for a "star candidate" happens way too often in our system. Even finance minister and possible future leader Chrystia Freeland started her career as a "star" IIRC. I imagine the NDP does it, too, though I don't recall hearing about it from them as often.
 
WhyCzar said:

Liberals were warned in 2017 Jasper was a ‘tinderbox’​

Maligne Lodge, JasperFiles
Shaun Polczer
Shaun Polczer

Published on:
25 Jul 2024, 3:34 pm

The Liberal government was warned as early as 2017 that Jasper was a “tinderbox” waiting to explode but climate activists within the government refused to alter the “pristine environment.”

The Jasper National Park Management Plan identified the mountain pine beetle as a major risk for wildfires as far back as July 22, 2016.

“Mountain pine beetle expansion in Jasper National Park and associated forest ‘may’ increase wildfire risk to values on neighboring land," said the plan.

The Alberta Forest Service and Parks Canada approved a forest management plan but it was rejected by the Liberal government, documents show.

In 2018, a pair of retired forestry workers who had worked in Jasper for more than 40 years, Emile Begin and Ken Hodges, warned officials at Parks Canada that a major fire in the Jasper area was “an inevitability” if it didn’t take steps to remove the abundance of dead fuel from the pine beetle.

“You’ve got a major catastrophe on your hands if you get a match thrown into that,” they said.

Parks Canada officials described pine beetle infestation as “natural” and were reluctant to do anything about it.

"Climate change didn’t leave acres of dead trees next to a beautiful mountain town for 7 years.

The (Trudeau) government did."
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Can any political authority be warned of anything?

High improbability ... although they do not believe in odds if they are sure they have it sown ... many blind observers feel this way also as they fail the innate perspective ...
 
As we all watch the circus of the US election, I continue to wonder why it's allowed for the personal attacks and slander on candidates, their families and propagate lies.
In light of all this, shouldn't it be against the law to even use this sort of thing within our campaigns? Personally, I just want to hear what the candidates will do, how and what their achievements have been so far in their political careers. Have the fact checkers ready to make sure.
Honestly, the whole " game" of degrading one another has grown lame IMO, especially in the US. Can't we as a nation, rise above this s**t?
 
Waterfall said:
Can't we as a nation, rise above this s**t?
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Given that this is the country where calling the Liberal leader a "shiny pony" was apparently acceptable discourse, I kind of doubt it. Poilievre is probably the worst for it right now but I'm sure that once we get closer to an actual campaign, Trudeau will be giving as good as he gets and likely engaging in some muckraking like accusing the CPC of having a "hidden agenda".
 
Mendalla said:
Given that this is the country where calling the Liberal leader a "shiny pony" was apparently acceptable discourse, I kind of doubt it. Poilievre is probably the worst for it right now but I'm sure that once we get closer to an actual campaign, Trudeau will be giving as good as he gets and likely engaging in some muckraking like accusing the CPC of having a "hidden agenda".
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Sigh, just getting tired of the "show".
 
Waterfall said:
As we all watch the circus of the US election, I continue to wonder why it's allowed for the personal attacks and slander on candidates, their families and propagate lies.
In light of all this, shouldn't it be against the law to even use this sort of thing within our campaigns? Personally, I just want to hear what the candidates will do, how and what their achievements have been so far in their political careers. Have the fact checkers ready to make sure.
Honestly, the whole " game" of degrading one another has grown lame IMO, especially in the US. Can't we as a nation, rise above this s**t?
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It is all in the name of ultimate freedom (given the lack of onus) a one sided freedom primarily!

Now there is the debate in SCOTUS about the freedom of algorithms to alter internet material. A machine editing information supply at the will of whoever generated the bot!

I recall 2 retired code engineers telling me that MS was generating a monster ... and a business giant telling me the existence of chimera (monsters, dragons) were all matter of the imagination or abstract mine ...

Can a business power corrupt an intelligent machine? Sounds like an Orson Wells myth ...

Then ... dis Rome have a circus? Is a sacred belief system rather hidden from those that would run off with it? Thus knowledge dips below the emotional horizon ... generating profound bothers ... may be a literary device! Might a literary device initiate a mine, or a mine float a myth within its matt ????

Myths do tend toward mystery and shadowy understandings ... that the glowing cannot observe because of self-induced glare! Thus we go down in glory ... a theme from the Yuppies!
 
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WhyCzar said:
I have been following US politics and ignoring Canadian politics with that in mind.

Jasper brought me back. I watched Danielle Smith's emotional press release. The level of dehumanizing rhetoric leveled against her in the comments was appalling. That this tragedy is being used for political posturing is no surprise. I came across this article on X and thought it was worth factoring into the political blame narrative.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1816804380948987990
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The responsibility for fighting fires in Jasper is shared by both governments. Parks Canada admin has been a concern since a big shift happened several years ago with a loss of much knowledge and experience, though parks admin has been a concern for decades. On an environmental and outdoor recreation conference of the ATA about 44 years ago in Banff, the guide for one of our hikes expressed concern about a valley of old pine that was ripe for infestation by the pine bark beetle. Admin insisted on letting nature take its course instead of clearing that pine.
 
jimkenney12 said:
The responsibility for fighting fires in Jasper is shared by both governments. Parks Canada admin has been a concern since a big shift happened several years ago with a loss of much knowledge and experience, though parks admin has been a concern for decades. On an environmental and outdoor recreation conference of the ATA about 44 years ago in Banff, the guide for one of our hikes expressed concern about a valley of old pine that was ripe for infestation by the pine bark beetle. Admin insisted on letting nature take its course instead of clearing that pine.
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Which may be a question of philosophy not knowledge/experience/skill.
There is a balance point that needs to be found...and in a changing climate that balance point is prob ably harder to find.
 
The pine beetle was handled poorly across all levels. It hit BC and the recommendation was to remove the bark at the logging sites before transporting the logs. Did that happen? Nope. The beetle should never left BC to spread to AB. It could have least been thwarted so it didn't do as much damage.
 
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