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That’s some people’s idea of heaven. It’s a generous fantasy but it might save the world a bit. All his supporters can move in with him on his estates if they want to but it’s a one shot deal and neither they, nor Trump, have any influence beyond the Trump gates. Solved. ;)
 
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It’ll be called the United Estates of Trump. He can have a podium with a seal on it and stuff. And a flag with his face on it. But the flag can only be flown in the UET, or ET for short. Or just T. Maybe he’d prefer that. Because it comes before X and X is a pretty popular and successful enterprise right now, for a letter in the alphabet. He’d need to be first. I’m trying to apply his style of logic, here.

Like, there’d be an actual harbour seal that sits on a podium, and jumps through hoops for Trump and everyone would clap and laugh and think it’s great and he’d love that. And the outside world would would no longer be his problem. And he wouldn’t be theirs. This is turning into a bad version of a Fellini movie. No actual seals or humans were harmed in the making of this fantasy B movie.
 
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Or, and he can move between his estates but he needs an entourage of appointed escorts when outside his territory. They can be attractive (no actually not that kind that’s too far, this is a campy enough fairytale) but he can’t be out of their sight when off his turf.

It’s looking like a fair deal all around. Lol ok I’m getting sillier. It’s past my bedtime .
 
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On the special United Estates of Trump holidays, in his land (and only there exclusively…Exclusively! Deal?) he could hold a big rally for all his supporters/ citizens, and there’d be monster truck shows, UETWF wrestling matches, Ted Nugent concerts…and most importantly he’d get to talk a lot about how he made Trump great again, and the sounds of applause would be so sweet for him, and uninterrupted there…and the rest of the world wouldn’t need to hear a thing - but people could still get in on pay per view. Proceeds would go to repairing past damages. He’d probably get a lot of viewers - he likes viewers watching him on TV. (Whaddaya say?.. deal?)

I might work this into a story. Or a comedy skit. I’m just cheering myself up. …ok enough must sleep.
 
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I haven’t figured out where the money would come from…from the supporters themselves somehow because they love him so much…or reroute the campaign Superpac money?…in my fantasy he has to stay within his (already generous) bounds and be ok with the deal - but it’s just a fantasy so I’m not going to worry about the means for the provisions of this place - it’s just there somehow and nobody outside his Estates suffers because of that. Ideas to work into a fairytale style story are welcome.

(At this point - writing an imaginary legacy where he can’t be president again - a gentler, funnier one where he or his supporters can’t do harm to the rest of the world)
 
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Possibly bottom lion extraction or something of that line-age! It one keeps digging into the concept of dualities and those sticking to one path ... does one-halve of mortal go ... like passé? It is so like essence ... a ghost with certain deficiencies ... causing the apparition that perhaps only the dreams of a better world escape reality? I have this insane vision ... you know Kimmio ... kind 've beyond private realities of controlling everything ... a god-delusion, in an itch of its Owen nature ... a foreign grasp of the great kitty?

One has to have a mortal experience of this for the ultimate test ... then we get out ... rather like a scene in Lawrence of Arabia and wind whining over the sans of ... well whatever! Mortals would never accept the story as indicative of something alternate ... there'd be a conflict because the gods of men differ from virtue of the men of gods ... a difficult concept to grasp ... no mediums are accepted because we can't observe the central point when right into it ... one has to be a bit out there! Imagine the disturbances at the fringe ... ghost riders ... supported on whetted sticks with points ... Eros and Psyche? Bloody red thoughts ... hunger for change ... still as a fallen rose ... a piece of de vine ...
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
I haven’t figured out where the money would come from…from the supporters themselves somehow because they love him so much…or reroute the campaign Superpac money?…in my fantasy he has to stay within his (already generous) bounds and be ok with the deal - but it’s just a fantasy so I’m not going to worry about the means for the provisions of this place - it’s just there somehow and nobody outside his Estates suffers because of that. Ideas to work into a fairytale style story are welcome.

(At this point - writing an imaginary legacy where he can’t be president again - a gentler, funnier one where he or his supporters can’t do harm to the rest of the world)
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The only thing with this solution, and I know it's fantastical, is the needs of a whole group of people that follow Trump, are ignored. And although we may not agree with them, I think we have to listen better (and so do they), but we can start because we can't control other peoples thoughts. Perhaps if we start with what we have in common. A love of country? Wanting to do what's best for each other? Finding a middle ground?
Eg. Abortion, gun laws, imigration.
The "dream" of locking Trump down is fantasy I know, but it reflects how people want to control each side and that just gets all of our backs up. IMO
I just wish everyone would just stop slinging mud at each other and sanely bring forward ideas that might have some common ground....and for that you almost need some more people being elected that also have degrees in psychology as well as the more common law degrees ( which is usually adversarial)
That's my fantasy, lol.
 
Waterfall said:
The only thing with this solution, and I know it's fantastical, is the needs of a whole group of people that follow Trump, are ignored. And although we may not agree with them, I think we have to listen better (and so do they), but we can start because we can't control other peoples thoughts. Perhaps if we start with what we have in common. A love of country? Wanting to do what's best for each other? Finding a middle ground?
Eg. Abortion, gun laws, imigration.
The "dream" of locking Trump down is fantasy I know, but it reflects how people want to control each side and that just gets all of our backs up. IMO
I just wish everyone would just stop slinging mud at each other and sanely bring forward ideas that might have some common ground....and for that you almost need some more people being elected that also have degrees in psychology as well as the more common law degrees ( which is usually adversarial)
That's my fantasy, lol.
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Imagine a MP with some psycho tendencies as well as additional qualities that would stir that dark sides of our existence! Waves ensue ...

Imagine the people offended by the splash ... and then we query ... who dirtied the pool? Such is the Roaming bath ... Ba^th having an exponential quality!

Hum bug???
 
Waterfall said:
The only thing with this solution, and I know it's fantastical, is the needs of a whole group of people that follow Trump, are ignored. And although we may not agree with them, I think we have to listen better (and so do they), but we can start because we can't control other peoples thoughts. Perhaps if we start with what we have in common. A love of country? Wanting to do what's best for each other? Finding a middle ground?
Eg. Abortion, gun laws, imigration.
The "dream" of locking Trump down is fantasy I know, but it reflects how people want to control each side and that just gets all of our backs up. IMO
I just wish everyone would just stop slinging mud at each other and sanely bring forward ideas that might have some common ground....and for that you almost need some more people being elected that also have degrees in psychology as well as the more common law degrees ( which is usually adversarial)
That's my fantasy, lol.
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Well, that’s not a very funny Fellini movie, Waterfall ;) …I was being silly. Pains and hot flashes have been keeping me awake. Laughter helps pain and discomfort. Some reprieve from reality. That’s all. I can’t be serious ‘all’ the time or I’ll implode with everything that’s stressing me out.

Yours is a laudable vision. Trump supporters are real people with real needs, I know (in my fantasy they’d volunteer to live happily ever after with him at a place they believe is paradise on earth - they’re not being controlled so much as accomodated to live under their prefered ‘king’ in their own prefered ‘world’ -the lifestyle they admired of Trump).

The big challenge, in reality is that so many are quite happy to be deluded by him and everything he says and does no matter what - less like political supporters, more like slavish devotees. They believe he’s a saviour. Q is also phenomenon - a big write your own conspiracy cult - and even those nominally drawn in will be very difficult to reach. Bannon’s and (I can’t remember the name of his younger wingman’s) early dastardly machinations and social media strategizing worked swimmingly.

To add: I’m not sure there’s a political or professional class solution (which is also a form of control over the “less educated”) to Trump’s very unique brand of populism perpetuated by his very unique personality - especially given that he’s out baffled the establishment successfully for years. His supporters adore him. That’ll be hard to break. There’s no solution that doesn’t involve controlling or manipulating somebody, somehow. Through politics, through psychology or through law.

Besides I was really thinking of alternatives that at least are some consequence for the trouble he’s caused and laws he’s broken but not so punitive as to cause him pain that’ll get his supporters angry. If he gets jail time (which is controlling by nature) theres a good chance there will be negative fallout from them, as much or maybe less than from him directly - but guided by what they think is in defense of him (Jan 6 repeats or similar - let’s hope not! But it’s possible.) And my scenario was a funny (to me) imaginary alternative.
 
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Imagine addressing needs whether abstract or absolute ... when many observers do not recognize the difference ... especially the +'s and Minas's ... underwrote?

Complexity characterized ... folk love the Gama ... conflict! Consider man and the alternate legally bound! Woe ... the pat'e of learning ... cooked?
 
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Intelligence is dangerous when empathy is deficient. This a base unknown study ... M having some entanglement with the medium at central position ... legally expect many loupes ... eddy currants!
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I was going to say that formal education doesn’t make someone good, or wise. It can also just be a ticket to more power or money. But also…what you said!
 
Kimmio you need to write a book. Your dystopian vision rivals Atwood. That's a complement.

I'm shocked at Bannon's education. And I'm not.

I'd be happy if 45 got even a week in jail. It would be huge to him. Ideally he'd spend the rest of his life in jail. We know that's not likely to happen.
 
Efforts to weaponize the law against Trump and conservatives will provoke a massive backlash.

The political pendulum eventually swings against those who grossly abuse power without principle.
 
There will be no backlash if the corrupt powers win! Heh-he ... it may be a joust for those with stellar minds that cannot function in the heavier portions of Ayer ... experience with the pathological is a terminal lesson --- Nurse Rat Chet ...
 
Northwind said:
Kimmio you need to write a book. Your dystopian vision rivals Atwood. That's a complement.

I'm shocked at Bannon's education. And I'm not.

I'd be happy if 45 got even a week in jail. It would be huge to him. Ideally he'd spend the rest of his life in jail. We know that's not likely to happen.
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Thank you but I wish I had less dystopian vision. I really prefer humour. That’s just not what always happens.
 
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