Luke 6: A Verse (or Two) at a Time

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Mystic said:
Of course, it was a prophecy because Jesus was a prophet, who even prophesied the martyrdom of James and John.
So why did you disrespect Jesus and His followers for being willing to pay the ultimate price for their faith?
btw, The Jewish work "The Lives of the Prophets" from the first century documents the martyrdom of most of the OT prophets.
So Jesus hardly stands in the tradition of a "cult."
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I have posted twice already trying to explain my point of view on this one. If this is a prophecy by Jesus, it feels out of place with the other three blessings in the sermon on the Plain

Tomorrow we arrive at the Woes.
 
Anyone who understands societies would know that Jesus was certain to provoke attacks through what he was saying just as happened to John the Baptizer. It was a blessing to be prepared for those attacks. It is also s blessing to be on the right side of history.
 
paradox3 said:
I have posted twice already trying to explain my point of view on this one. If this is a prophecy by Jesus, it feels out of place with the other three blessings in the sermon on the Plain
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On the contrary, this beatitude fits perfectly.
First, it allows all 4 beatitudes to focus on the suffering of the righteous.
Second, as the final beatitude, it neatly sets up the antithesis with the last woe, which focuses on those who avoid persecution by the cowardice of just going for everyone's approval, as did the false prophets.
 
paradox3 said:
Please explain how you get this from the beatitudes in the sermon on the plain.

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"the kingdom of God" as compensation for being "poor"
being "filled" as compensation for going "hungry"
joyous "laughter" as compensation for the sorrow of "weeping"
"your reward is great in heaven" as compensation for when others "hate," 'exclude. " "revile"and"defame" you
 
Hi Everybody! Today we arrive at the Woes which counterbalance the Blessings. Here is Luke 6: 24-26

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Bible Gateway passage: Luke 6:24-26 - New Revised Standard Version Updated Edition

“But woe to you who are rich, for you have received your consolation. “Woe to you who are full now, for you will be hungry. “Woe to you who are laughing now, for you will mourn and weep. “Woe to you when all speak well of you, for that is how their ancestors treated the false prophets.
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@Mystic has suggested the Blessings apply to the suffering righteous. These folks are assured by Jesus that the situation will improve here on earth. And they will be rewarded in heaven.

The Woes can then be read as the unrighteous getting their comeuppance.

This is not the only possible interpretation of the blessings and woes but it seems like a reasonable one. It also paves the way for Jesus to begin explaining what it means to be righteous.

Stay tuned. We will get there tomorrow.
 
Is being un righteous like being left in the ups and downs of secular ... secular par as "-ite"? Thus alloyed with nothing ... it cannot change because there is no substance to alter ... insubstantial in a word (potentially for lack of support and stand down ... understood)?

Nah, ignore it for the item will pass ... it's nothing! Like where the spark used to be ... drawing all bases in the dark game ... corner stuff ... cracks, debris and upheavals ... because of deficiencies in the abstract! Initially one must absorb the superficial that is thinly adsorbed ... superficial as the tables turn in rotational matrix ... words from a vulnerable messenger sometimes taken from the Naked Pastor. Is that ID't ...

Thus nothing comes between us as drawing us out as time dragons ... flashing here and there ... and they gathering fuels ... FU's? Heated winds ...
 
Do we want the unrighteous to get their comeuppance?
Or hear that Jesus supports this?
Is he saying some can't be saved?
 
Waterfall said:
But he also provides grace which doesn't require repentance, does it?
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There are many different theological interpretations floating around on this one!

Simplest might be to look to the prayer Jesus taught.

We are called to repentance (forgive us our trespasses) & to forgive others (as we forgive those who have trespassed against us).
 
paradox3 said:
There are many different theological interpretations floating around on this one!

Simplest might be to look to the prayer Jesus taught.

We are called to repentance (forgive us our trespasses) & to forgive others (as we forgive those who have trespassed against us).
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It bothers me that some would take joy in those "sinners" getting their "comeuppance" or deserve it....we can never know how another's "heart" was damaged, but God does.
 
Waterfall said:
It bothers me that some would take joy in those "sinners" getting their "comeuppance" or deserve it....we can never know how another's "heart" was damaged, but God does.
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See, I wouldn't take joy in it because I would argue many people have elements in their life that fall on both sides. We simply aren't that simple as creatures. People who take joy in it are likely missing something.

And there's the reverse, too, people who see all the ones who are "blessed" and get depressed because they don't see themselves there. Same argument applies.
 
Does anyone have any ideas about the Prophets who were hated & excluded by the people's ancestors? (V.22)

What about the false prophets who were embraced by the ancestors? (V.26)
 
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