Because as the bible states ... it is unknowable ... a common trait with the supposed concept of God which is out of the question with a God of pure emotion ... as such types do not leave room (rheum, attic) for thought ... and thus de light is restrained!
False Religions... thwart discovering knowledge of True Religion?
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Because as the bible states ... it is unknowable ... a common trait with the supposed concept of God which is out of the question with a God of pure emotion ... as such types do not leave room (rheum, attic) for thought ... and thus de light is restrained!
Mendalla
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There may, indeed, be universal Truth. The problem is how can we know what is the universal truth versus our perception when our knowledge is necessarily incomplete and possibly always will be? One may claim universal truth but what is claimed to be Truth could merely be an incomplete perception of universal Truth. To my eye, our understanding of "Truth" will always be incomplete and coloured by subjective perception, though we can strive to get closer to "Truth". It is asymptotic: we can get closer and closer but will never, ever get there.
This is one of the strengths of science when practiced properly. It admits that our knowledge of the truth is incomplete and always leaves for future discoveries or research to change or expand on an accepted hypothesis. Newton's gravity was (and remains) good enough for dealing with our local system and similar systems but Einstein expanded on it in a way that deals better with the extreme cases like black holes. Newton is sufficient to get us to the moon, but to fully understand the workings of the broader universe, we need Einstein. And there are already people doing work that may expand upon or modify Einstein, or at least fill gaps in the General Theory of Relativity.
Religion believes it seeks a deeper Truth but at the same time is all too often unwilling to admit that its knowledge of that Truth may be similarly in need of refinement and expansion; that it may also never have complete knowledge/understanding of the spiritual Truth it seeks just as our knowledge/understanding of the physical universe as revealed by science may never be 100% complete.
Though, for my part, I do not think religion is about seeking a single, objective Truth, but about finding meaning in our existence, something that is neither absolute nor objective. It about finding OUR Truth rather than finding THE Truth though in doing so we may well be drawing closer to some kind of Truth. Sure, consensus about what we find plays a role in finding that truth, but we need not all arrive at the same destination on our spiritual journeys.
"We need not think alike to love alike," is a common UU aphorism (attributed to Unitarian Francis David but according to at least one article, actually likely derived from a John Wesley quote: “Though we cannot think alike, may we not love alike?”).
Which, of course, arguably makes Love the one absolute Truth; the one destination we can all seek to reach.
Mendalla
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I do agree with you, in fact. Neither does provide all the answers. Even if you add philosophy (a third path of searching for truth and meaning) in to the mix you won't have all the answers. Sometimes, there may be no pat, final answers, only exploration of the questions (see my sig). This is why UU'ism has multiple "sources" rather than a set scripture. It is our way of saying that no one path has all the answers and we should each draw on as many sources as we need to find truth and meaning for ourselves.
That sounds like a logical and reasonable way to go about it Mendalla. For me, the best path to strive for understanding what is true and meaningful is the relationship with the God-man Jesus Christ which I believe I have.
blackbelt1961
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I find it interesting that Jesus claimed he was the truth, then Jesus objectively proved it , apart and separate from all of humanity. Look ate what Jesus is called in His Return
Rev 19:11 Then I saw heaven opened, and a white horse was standing there. Its rider was named Faithful and True, for he judges fairly and wages a righteous war.
2 very powerful and all encompassing words , Faithful & True
I have always said that truth is divine, Truth is God
Rev 19:11 Then I saw heaven opened, and a white horse was standing there. Its rider was named Faithful and True, for he judges fairly and wages a righteous war.
2 very powerful and all encompassing words , Faithful & True
I have always said that truth is divine, Truth is God
So you worship truth blackbelt?
blackbelt1961
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i do worship Christ yes
Do you believe that truth is Christ?
I would say that God is Truth,
much as I would say that God is Love,
but you wrote that Truth is God.
I would say that God is Truth,
much as I would say that God is Love,
but you wrote that Truth is God.
blackbelt1961
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God is Truth, Truth is God,
Both statements are true since Truth is an attribute of God much like you said God is Love,
blackbelt1961
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Interesting take Blackbelt - a person is the same as each of their own attributes. So, just as God is powerful, power is God?
blackbelt1961
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I see what your getting to, if were talking about True Power , yes only God is , the rest is just a copycat
Neo
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Yes, but I believe only as an example of being "one with God". In fact, this a good example of how man-made doctrines have deluded us into believing that we 'all we have to do is to believe in Jesus and He will wash away all our sins'. When in fact, I believe, His teachings made it very clear that we have to do more than just "believe" in him. His teachings tell us that we too have to learn how to "become" the Truth and walk the path, the way, to the "great renunciation", just as He did. "Greater things" shall we do.
I believe one of the biggest misconceptions that the Christian doctrine purports is that we, as individual human beings, have no claim to divinity unless we become Christian and give our lives to Jesus. I personally don't read that message in the words of Jesus. I believe Jesus meant for us to purify our spirit, our minds and our bodies by right words, right thoughts, and right actions.
blackbelt1961
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Neo said: ↑
but the fact remains, only Jesus said it, no others as you claimed in your first post
if your read scripture even at face value, what you just wrote about is in fact, not a fact.
but the fact remains, only Jesus said it, no others as you claimed in your first post
if your read scripture even at face value, what you just wrote about is in fact, not a fact.
of course that is a misconception on your part of what you believe Christian doctrine teaches , as a christian and all other Christians I know, non has ever claimed any right to Divinity even through JesusFrom The Book of John (emphasis mine)...
"Jesus Teaches about Doing the Work of God.
Then the people said to Him, 'What are the works God wants us to do?' Jesus said to them, 'This is the work of God, that you put your trust in the One He has sent'" - 6: 28-29 (NLV).
Now, it can be debated over exactly what putting one's trust in the One means. Does it mean having some kind of intellectual contract that the One will take away one's sinfulness, or is there more involved. I feel that truly being a disciple calls for actually living as a disciple.
Neo
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I agree, we bear responsibility for our words, our thoughts and our actions. It is not an easy path and one that can only be guided correctly by an altruistic approach to life where love and service drive us forward.
Edit to add: our individual religions do not have to come into play to learn the "art of living". Our religions are a happenstance of time and place and should only be used as motivators to drive us forward.