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That's compassion as bifurcated from strong passions that are mind blowing ... and thus we lose it! Divination forming omissions ... pieces missing?
Thus sin is often not well understood by the powers ... of those that have not time to stop and think ... illustrating timelessness! It goes by with some not learning anything about the quest or questions thereof ...
Tis a tough journey to say least ...
unsafe
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BetteTheRed -----you said --- I have, however, disagreed with her belief system. largely because it condemns others.
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No-----the person following and receiving Jesus doesn't condemn anybody -----the people who refuse to be a follower and receiver of Jesus condemn themselves -------but you seem to like to play the blame game and blame others for your own decision to reject what Jesus came to freely offer to all people who will receive Him voluntarily or reject Him voluntarily on their own -----
You are taking Christ out of what you call yourself which is a Christ----ian --and your not alone
You need to take responsibility for your own decisions instead of Blaming others ------and that is the norm for anti salvation people who just think that they can sin away and disobey God and be welcomed into God's Kingdom without Jesus ------they expect God to bow down to them and their needs and give God nothing but harsh words for putting in place such a plan that reject those who don't accept His Son ------
And you who called what Jesus went through a derogatory name ---and then expect God to just bow down to your feelings about His Salvation plan saying it condemns other from getting into His Kingdom ---- when it is you who condemns God's Love of sending His Son to take what you deserve ----just saying
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No-----the person following and receiving Jesus doesn't condemn anybody -----the people who refuse to be a follower and receiver of Jesus condemn themselves -------but you seem to like to play the blame game and blame others for your own decision to reject what Jesus came to freely offer to all people who will receive Him voluntarily or reject Him voluntarily on their own -----
You are taking Christ out of what you call yourself which is a Christ----ian --and your not alone
You need to take responsibility for your own decisions instead of Blaming others ------and that is the norm for anti salvation people who just think that they can sin away and disobey God and be welcomed into God's Kingdom without Jesus ------they expect God to bow down to them and their needs and give God nothing but harsh words for putting in place such a plan that reject those who don't accept His Son ------
And you who called what Jesus went through a derogatory name ---and then expect God to just bow down to your feelings about His Salvation plan saying it condemns other from getting into His Kingdom ---- when it is you who condemns God's Love of sending His Son to take what you deserve ----just saying
jimkenney12
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I went back a few pages to find out which point I sucked. Please remind me of your point.
My main point regarding much of what you and unsafe post is that you are treating the version of scriptures cobbled together about two hundred years after Jesus died as being 100% the word of God. I do not.
The Gospel of Mark was created in a community about 30 to 50 years after Jesus died. It contains the memories and theology of that community. One verse is not enough to convince me.
Considering that the story of Adam and Eve forms the foundation for the idea of original sin and that story is clearly metaphor, not history, the concept of Jesus dying to pay off a species sin makes no sense to me.
What does make sense to me is that Jesus had a close relationship with the Holy Mystery and knew the kind of change we needed to make to be at one with God. He knew that kind of change was a threat to religious and secular powers and that he would probably die for preaching that change. His facing death freed his followers to embrace that change and face death with confidence that it would be worthwhile.
unsafe
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jimkenney12 ---you said ------My main point regarding much of what you and unsafe post is that you are treating the version of scriptures cobbled together about two hundred years after Jesus died as being 100% the word of God. I do not.
I say ----and that is your right to think that ---but you are going against what the Scripture says ---so you are in fact saying you don't believe the Scriptures cause they were written years after the time of Jesus ---yet you claim to be a Christian and you claim this on post 210 page 11 ----
Jesus the Chosen One of God has been part of my personal life journey for 60 years and is the reason I have no abiding fear. If I live tomorrow, I live to the Lord. If I die tomorrow, I die to the Lord.
I say ------So how can Jesus be a part of your life without believing what the Scriptures say ----you don't see Jesus ----all you have is what the Scriptures say about Jesus and you don't believe the Scriptures according to yourself -----you can't say ---WELL I believe some Scriptures but not other Scriptures ----as all the New Testament was written after Jesus died -------
Your Contradicting yourself -----on one hand you say ---I follow Jesus the Chosen one of God ----but then say you don't believe the Scriptures which says Jesus is the Chosen one of God ----
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The Scriptures say that they are God inspired or God breathed -----so lets look at this word God inspired and see what it says -----
Strong's Concordance
theopneustos: God-breathed, i.e. inspired by God
properly, God-breathed, referring to the divine inspiration (inbreathing) of Scripture (used only in 2 Tim 3:16).
2315 /theópneustos ("God-breathed"), likely a term coined by Paul, "expresses the sacred nature of the Scriptures (their divine origin) and their power to sanctify believers
2 Tim 3:16: "Each-and-every Scripture is God-breathed (2315 /theópneustos) and profitable for teaching, for convincing, for correction, for training in righteousness."
The singular (anarthrous) use of 3956 /pás ("all") underlines that each part of speech (every inflected word-form, "reflex") used in the Bible is God-breathed, i.e. inscripturated (written) under divine inspiration
(theópneustos) is better rendered 'breathed out by God' as the emphasis is upon the divine origin of the inscripturated revelation itself"
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I say ----So this is stacked against your belief ---of the scripture not being 100% God's word ----and then there is this Scripture that says ----God's Word is truth ------John 17:17 -----
And here is the thing with your unbelief of Scripture -----you make up your sermons from Scripture that you don't believe was written by God and you feed it to your FLOCK ----My hope is that you are HONEST with your Flock and tell them that your Sermons are based on man driven Scripture not God driven Scriptures and they shouldn't believe entirely what you Feed them as you yourself don't believe
that God wrote them and therefore should take what you say with a grain of salt ------
If you don't believe or do as you Preach ---your a Hypocrite ------just saying
I say ----and that is your right to think that ---but you are going against what the Scripture says ---so you are in fact saying you don't believe the Scriptures cause they were written years after the time of Jesus ---yet you claim to be a Christian and you claim this on post 210 page 11 ----
Jesus the Chosen One of God has been part of my personal life journey for 60 years and is the reason I have no abiding fear. If I live tomorrow, I live to the Lord. If I die tomorrow, I die to the Lord.
I say ------So how can Jesus be a part of your life without believing what the Scriptures say ----you don't see Jesus ----all you have is what the Scriptures say about Jesus and you don't believe the Scriptures according to yourself -----you can't say ---WELL I believe some Scriptures but not other Scriptures ----as all the New Testament was written after Jesus died -------
Your Contradicting yourself -----on one hand you say ---I follow Jesus the Chosen one of God ----but then say you don't believe the Scriptures which says Jesus is the Chosen one of God ----
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The Scriptures say that they are God inspired or God breathed -----so lets look at this word God inspired and see what it says -----
Strong's Concordance
theopneustos: God-breathed, i.e. inspired by God
properly, God-breathed, referring to the divine inspiration (inbreathing) of Scripture (used only in 2 Tim 3:16).
2315 /theópneustos ("God-breathed"), likely a term coined by Paul, "expresses the sacred nature of the Scriptures (their divine origin) and their power to sanctify believers
2 Tim 3:16: "Each-and-every Scripture is God-breathed (2315 /theópneustos) and profitable for teaching, for convincing, for correction, for training in righteousness."
The singular (anarthrous) use of 3956 /pás ("all") underlines that each part of speech (every inflected word-form, "reflex") used in the Bible is God-breathed, i.e. inscripturated (written) under divine inspiration
(theópneustos) is better rendered 'breathed out by God' as the emphasis is upon the divine origin of the inscripturated revelation itself"
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I say ----So this is stacked against your belief ---of the scripture not being 100% God's word ----and then there is this Scripture that says ----God's Word is truth ------John 17:17 -----
And here is the thing with your unbelief of Scripture -----you make up your sermons from Scripture that you don't believe was written by God and you feed it to your FLOCK ----My hope is that you are HONEST with your Flock and tell them that your Sermons are based on man driven Scripture not God driven Scriptures and they shouldn't believe entirely what you Feed them as you yourself don't believe
that God wrote them and therefore should take what you say with a grain of salt ------
If you don't believe or do as you Preach ---your a Hypocrite ------just saying
Some systems claim that Jesus was illuminating about dark mysteries ... but many folk are blind to such resolutions do to blinding faith that it can't be seen!
Other systems say it is due to mental shutdown due to the desire that some forward people didn't wish the genearal populaces to know much more that nothing ... and thus nothing appears on mountainsides like Rushmore ...
Other systems say it is due to mental shutdown due to the desire that some forward people didn't wish the genearal populaces to know much more that nothing ... and thus nothing appears on mountainsides like Rushmore ...
jimkenney12
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Anybody can write something and claim it is God's word including the passages in the Bible but that does not prove it is God's word. I believe the general story of Jesus, but am prepared to question the pieces that make particular claims about Jesus. I left a better paying profession and moved my family three times across this country to serve his mission and I believe I have experienced the hand of God at work in my life numerous times, some of them saving me from possible death.
I do not need translated words written on paper based on documents written decades of after his death to believe his teachings about how we are to live and relate in this world. I believe in the resurrection without knowing it's details.
I believe the Holy Mystery is still very active in this world in subtle ways like waves of energy flowing through all of creation. I see it in tiny congregations with members from newborns to ancients quietly maintaining loving community and celebrating the sacraments Jesus gave to us.
I believe the Holy Mystery is far too great to be confined or defined by any human made document.
But you can choose to believe whatever you want about my faith and the validity of my ministry.
I do not need translated words written on paper based on documents written decades of after his death to believe his teachings about how we are to live and relate in this world. I believe in the resurrection without knowing it's details.
I believe the Holy Mystery is still very active in this world in subtle ways like waves of energy flowing through all of creation. I see it in tiny congregations with members from newborns to ancients quietly maintaining loving community and celebrating the sacraments Jesus gave to us.
I believe the Holy Mystery is far too great to be confined or defined by any human made document.
But you can choose to believe whatever you want about my faith and the validity of my ministry.
jimkenney12
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How much do you know about my preaching? I usually name questions about the passages I use. For example, Ruth was one of the readings I used today and I explained it was probably a story, but Ruth in the story showed saintly behaviour.
Mendalla
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I haven't believed in God or Jesus as anything more than a prophet for something like 35 years and I have no abiding fear either. Philosophy and science have shown me that death is the natural end to each entity's part of the cycle of life so why worry about it? Death is inevitable, even for the Earth; even for the stars; even for the universe itself. So enjoy the life you have because death is just not something to fuss about. It happens like so many other things. It is sad, for sure, but not something to live in fear or anguish over.
unsafe
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Mendalla ---you said ---
unsafe said:
Jesus the Chosen One of God has been part of my personal life journey for 60 years and is the reason I have no abiding fear. If I live tomorrow, I live to the Lord. If I die tomorrow, I die to the Lord.
Just to clarify ---I didn't say that --I was Quoting what jimkenny12 said on another page ----He made that statement ---should go back and re read my post -----
this is what I posted -----
yet you claim to be a Christian and you claim this on post 210 page 11 ----
Jesus the Chosen One of God has been part of my personal life journey for 60 years and is the reason I have no abiding fear. If I live tomorrow, I live to the Lord. If I die tomorrow, I die to the Lord.
unsafe said:
Jesus the Chosen One of God has been part of my personal life journey for 60 years and is the reason I have no abiding fear. If I live tomorrow, I live to the Lord. If I die tomorrow, I die to the Lord.
Just to clarify ---I didn't say that --I was Quoting what jimkenny12 said on another page ----He made that statement ---should go back and re read my post -----
this is what I posted -----
yet you claim to be a Christian and you claim this on post 210 page 11 ----
Jesus the Chosen One of God has been part of my personal life journey for 60 years and is the reason I have no abiding fear. If I live tomorrow, I live to the Lord. If I die tomorrow, I die to the Lord.
unsafe
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jimkenney12 -----You can say what you want -----but you contradict yourself -----you can't say Jesus has been a part of your life and then claim the scriptures are not from God -----you would have to believe the scriptures to say Jesus has been a part of your life ----if you didn't believe the scriptures then you would't believe in Jesus either --------your making contradicting statements -----
And like I said ----be kind enough to be truthful with your Flock so they know where you stand with scripture ---If a Minister told me that they didn't believe the Scripture they were preaching was from God ---I would say -----Run Forest Run ----as fast as you can ---and by you being honest with the people ---that gives them the choice to go or stay -----just saying
And like I said ----be kind enough to be truthful with your Flock so they know where you stand with scripture ---If a Minister told me that they didn't believe the Scripture they were preaching was from God ---I would say -----Run Forest Run ----as fast as you can ---and by you being honest with the people ---that gives them the choice to go or stay -----just saying
Mendalla
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Fair enough, but if you would learn to use the Quote and Reply functions that are readily available in the board software, these confusions would not happen. Anyhow, apparently I was responding to Jim rather than you but what I said still stands as my response to the statement whoever made it.
The mystery is affiliation ... when there are so many that act repulsive about being chosen folk ... thus scatter ...
In biblical lingo that's dissemination ... that's the word that I question as we are told early on that understanding is evil as knowledge!
If you don't know you can continue in the way you've been? Questionable ... the definition of naivete ...
However chez AI ... put your best fete forward and see who'll take it and who won't ... Sol item similar to soliloquy ... standing on a pier and addressing the flow ...
If one becomes affiliated with the mysterious flow of word ... what would one learn? It is still an extensive mystery ... the entire collective, that is!
However don't be too clear of folk will hate you for being a wee bit intelligent and that is easily put down by primal urges ... as: "I don't know and don't wish to!"
With all the mystery everything provides ... why would we deny the urge? Just because emotions reject intelligence ... you can see them go in a bust or other distraction ...
In biblical lingo that's dissemination ... that's the word that I question as we are told early on that understanding is evil as knowledge!
If you don't know you can continue in the way you've been? Questionable ... the definition of naivete ...
However chez AI ... put your best fete forward and see who'll take it and who won't ... Sol item similar to soliloquy ... standing on a pier and addressing the flow ...
If one becomes affiliated with the mysterious flow of word ... what would one learn? It is still an extensive mystery ... the entire collective, that is!
However don't be too clear of folk will hate you for being a wee bit intelligent and that is easily put down by primal urges ... as: "I don't know and don't wish to!"
With all the mystery everything provides ... why would we deny the urge? Just because emotions reject intelligence ... you can see them go in a bust or other distraction ...
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BetteTheRed
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We have had this conversation before. When you quote the New Testament about "scriptures", you are NEVER talking about the New Testament. Most of the letters (which refer to scripture) were written before many of the gospels were written, and certainly centuries before the NT canon was established, in the 4th century. So the letter to Timothy that refers to scriptures means, exclusively, Torah, or more properly Tanakh (the Hebrew scriptures). So the only thing being defined as inspired is the Hebrew Scriptures. There's no such claim made for the New Testament.
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Yes, unsafe, you and I have had pretty much this same conversation as well. All your taunting "Ya Ya's" and scornful "LOL's" aimed at those with whom you disagree are NOT going to change the facts. You may wish otherwise, but it just isn't going to change reality. Face the truth.
BetteTheRed
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Unsafe, I'm an adult, not a recalcitrant child. Please be respectful of my person. You can mock a person's beliefs without mocking them, but you go straight to the hell and damnation stereotype.
I have made a decision to follow Jesus' way of gentleness and inclusion and wherever possible kindness. That doesn't mean that I don't/can't disagree with you, relatively politely, usually, although you take issue with my language. I come from a very blunt culture.
See, I'm already welcome in Godde's kin-dom, and so are you. We are both currently playing on the planet of free will. After my natural life ends (and I just pray Godde it will be fast, relatively painless, early-but-not-too-early and not until the house is clean and organized/de-cluttered), I don't care, and am not afraid of what will happen to my molecules; I will re-enter the Ocean of Godde; I'm most keen on trying bird or tree on Gaia again.
Godde is the great unity; the great I Am; the ultimate mystery. Jesus is the gentle finger pointing at the loving moon/Sun. I am blessed to be a member of the human kin-dom right now, at yet another turning point in humanity. I would like to be more hopeful, but our children are not. Blessed be.
BetteTheRed
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Well, no, actually, I made a factual statement. As will be backed up by all of the ministers that post here. If a new testament chapter refers to "scripture", it can't possibly be what you would consider the New Testament, because that didn't exist, for centuries (about 3). That's a long time. Look at the wisdom of the 18th century versus that of the 21st. How does it compare? And how do you do in Greek versus any English translation; it's a wyrd language, bit less logical than Latin to my mind. Nevermind that Jesus the person probably usually spoke Aramaic.
So, when you "declare", based on such and such a verse, that ALL scripture (your canon, of your religion, in your language and preferred translations) is God-breathed, you are sharing your opinion, not the trade-marked "Truth". Your complete lack of comprehension about the art of translation/paraphrase and the different "truths" that can be teased out of every passage is disappointing.
Edited to add: it's actually like imagining the "Holy Bible" as a miraculous multi-lingual audio/videotape from today. The penultimate Dr. Who, where you can always check the accuracy of historical record. "4500 BCE donkeys could actually talk; 5000 BCE you could build an ark on which life on earth could be preserved for "how long" while the entire planet was flooded, 4750 BCE large whales can successfully swallow humans for 3 days, an ability they later lost, 3850 BCE God and Satan reenact Spanish Train long before Spain was populated or trains were a thing". That may feel mocking, but it's actually a bit more like "reality".
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To create uniformity in the desire of some people ... would it be a fey whim to expect all people to become heathen as ignorance seems to spread faster than gentile intelligence? Such are the flames of overwhelming passion without the com part ... and compassions is thus beyond the driven forces of the brute type! Is there evidence that we are increasingly losing IT?
This may also support the concept that word is greater than Constantine's Sword as he saw his way to burn a path across the western world of the day ... into Carolinian-ism! That'd be the belief in a psychical force of the great unknown assuming position in a physical body. As the rule goes accept that this could generate multiple exceptions as co fey (i.e. the physical gods against the black out caused by pure essence of passions about a power departed). Thus those thoughts are out a head of us! Those in the pits of passions may require a cup of Moe or 2 to get themselves started to process ...
This was expressed by a minister on another site while extolling the values of vegetable stimulants that might include Hogwarts (photosensitive) and other chemical ingredients that may bring on further depression on the other hand ... given that god is 2 handed in his delivery and thus bifurcated rushes of folk to create balance of something made from doing nothing ... my grandfather always relayed that concern to me ... as nothing was love and sort of representing a sign of god through representation of dissemination of intelligence in the human body ... which in some scripture was scattered as lady parts ... that'd be ancient PPsyche developing into an older Complexity that is even further from our mind/sol/psyche of darkness (core non sense)!
It is hard to accept that humans are heathens in regard to knowledge about wisdom ... as it circulated!
Thus with portals to the human cells there are gnostic and agnostic gates ... rendered down to receptive and non-receptive and thus demonstrating those powers that will accept nothing as Noos, or NU's in a stance right up there with paranoid skits ... scarey? They do believe in part that the way to god is a negative route avoiding any fresh learning ... it is authoritative in some worlds (politicians, CEO's, and churches). This may result in collapse, crashes and spiritual fallacies ...
These may trump any essence of humanity in demotics ... causing hated democracy in the empire ... worry not given the power of denial it'll not survive ...
It may be a indicating of optimistic fatalism and the hope that we can get beyond where we're at ... fey thought? Rendered down it may be an opposing faith of the stew we're in ...
This may also support the concept that word is greater than Constantine's Sword as he saw his way to burn a path across the western world of the day ... into Carolinian-ism! That'd be the belief in a psychical force of the great unknown assuming position in a physical body. As the rule goes accept that this could generate multiple exceptions as co fey (i.e. the physical gods against the black out caused by pure essence of passions about a power departed). Thus those thoughts are out a head of us! Those in the pits of passions may require a cup of Moe or 2 to get themselves started to process ...
This was expressed by a minister on another site while extolling the values of vegetable stimulants that might include Hogwarts (photosensitive) and other chemical ingredients that may bring on further depression on the other hand ... given that god is 2 handed in his delivery and thus bifurcated rushes of folk to create balance of something made from doing nothing ... my grandfather always relayed that concern to me ... as nothing was love and sort of representing a sign of god through representation of dissemination of intelligence in the human body ... which in some scripture was scattered as lady parts ... that'd be ancient PPsyche developing into an older Complexity that is even further from our mind/sol/psyche of darkness (core non sense)!
It is hard to accept that humans are heathens in regard to knowledge about wisdom ... as it circulated!
Thus with portals to the human cells there are gnostic and agnostic gates ... rendered down to receptive and non-receptive and thus demonstrating those powers that will accept nothing as Noos, or NU's in a stance right up there with paranoid skits ... scarey? They do believe in part that the way to god is a negative route avoiding any fresh learning ... it is authoritative in some worlds (politicians, CEO's, and churches). This may result in collapse, crashes and spiritual fallacies ...
These may trump any essence of humanity in demotics ... causing hated democracy in the empire ... worry not given the power of denial it'll not survive ...
It may be a indicating of optimistic fatalism and the hope that we can get beyond where we're at ... fey thought? Rendered down it may be an opposing faith of the stew we're in ...
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