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Redbaron -----what does your quote have to do with the Religion of Christianity ------ John 3:17 ---has absolutely nothing to do with any Religion -----it has to do with God's Love --not anything to do with any kind of Religion ----

About your Quote on verse 17 ---you didn't post enough of it you stopped to quick -----this is what John 3 15-17 really says -----you left out -------through HIM ---important words you so conveniently left out ----YOU yourself TOOK CHRIST out of Christianity and ended up with ianity which is nothing ---- which is what my post above is saying -----

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For God So Loved
15that everyone who believes in Him may have eternal life.

16For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.

17For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him.…

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Redbaron -----what does your quote have to do with the Religion of Christianity ------ John 3:17 ---has absolutely nothing to do with any Religion -----it has to do with God's Love --not anything to do with any kind of Religion ----

About your Quote on verse 17 ---you didn't post enough of it you stopped to quick -----this is what John 3 15-17 really says -----you left out -------through HIM ---important words you so conveniently left out ----YOU yourself TOOK CHRIST out of Christianity and ended up with ianity which is nothing ---- which is what my post above is saying -----

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For God So Loved
15that everyone who believes in Him may have eternal life.

16For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.

17For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him.…

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First off, you will note, of you read carefully, that in my post, I did not mention religion at all. Learn to read.

Secondly, as John 3:17 mentions, 'in order that the world might be saved through him.' (NRSV) It always amuses me, how you can read a verse like this, and miss the phrase "SAVE THE WORLD" God wants to SAVE the world , not condemn it. God wants to change the world for the better, redeem it, make it better. I don't think John 3:17 could make that more clear, yet somehow you have completely missed the point I guess in your wish to make the verse say what YOU wanted it to say, rather than what the verse very plainly says, you ignore what the verse actually says.

Again, learn to read.
 
unsafe said:
17For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him.…
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And I'm not sure, in this verse, that the final "Him" refers to God or the Son. If you're a unitarian, makes a difference.
 
Redbaron ---what God wants to do has nothing to do with any Religion ----Christianity is a man made religion and is man run ---it has nothing to do with what God does or doesn't do --

Your are talking nonsense -----you like a lot of other people have taken Jesus Christ out of the word Christianity which was originally meant for Believers of Jesus Christ -----those who are already saved ----by and through receiving Jesus as their personal Lord and Saviour ---and now use the word Christian like is means you don't need Jesus Christ to be a Christian ---you have taken Jesus out of Christianity ----- and that is the truth ----
 
Again, please learn to read. As I recall last fall/ winter, in the US Election Thread, you kept putting words ion my mouth that I never wrote. You're doing it again, here. I'd really appreciate it if you'd knock it off, read CAREFULLY what I WROTE, and respond intelligently to what is actually written, rather than whatever it is your imagination thinks you want the words to say. Again, I point out, I WROTE NOTHING ABOUT RELIGION. THAT IS YOUR WORD, NOT MINE. THE ONE REASON YOU MIGHT THINK IT'S NONSENSE IS BECAUSE YOU AREN'T CAREFULLY READING WHAT I WROTE.

Now, go back and read Post # 222 please, and try to respond to WHAT IS ACTUALLY WRITTEN THERE. Thank you.
 
BetteTheRed ----From Strong's concordance
preeminently of "Jesus, as enjoying the supreme love of God, united to him in affectionate intimacy, privy to his saving counsels, obedient to the Father's will in all his acts":John 3:17;
 
Redbaron ----you said ---Secondly, as John 3:17 mentions, 'in order that the world might be saved through him.' (NRSV) It always amuses me, how you can read a verse like this, and miss the phrase "SAVE THE WORLD

This is what the word means in that scripture -----it doesn't mean people ----if that is what your thinking ----
: (kos'-mos)
Definition: order, the world
Usage: the world, universe; worldly affairs;

"worldly affairs; the aggregate of things earthly; the whole circle of earthly goods, endowments, riches, advantages, pleasures, etc., which, although hollow and frail and fleeting, stir desire, seduce from God and are obstacles to the cause of Christ":

The only way for people to be saved is by receiving Jesus as their Lord and Saviour --that is what the Scripture says ----

And if Jesus came to save the word then there is no climate change -----the world is saved until Jesus returns ----
 
Oh my.

Can't we just agree that the Bible offers a variety of viewpoints, being the human construction that it is?

Inspired by God? Sure. Whatever that means. :whistle:
 
I have enough Jewish blood (one grandparent) that I value the uncertainty and questions. Someone once said faith is a struggle and a dance. Love it!!!
 
unsafe said:
Redbaron ----you said ---Secondly, as John 3:17 mentions, 'in order that the world might be saved through him.' (NRSV) It always amuses me, how you can read a verse like this, and miss the phrase "SAVE THE WORLD

This is what the word means in that scripture -----it doesn't mean people ----if that is what your thinking ----
: (kos'-mos)
Definition: order, the world
Usage: the world, universe; worldly affairs;

"worldly affairs; the aggregate of things earthly; the whole circle of earthly goods, endowments, riches, advantages, pleasures, etc., which, although hollow and frail and fleeting, stir desire, seduce from God and are obstacles to the cause of Christ":

The only way for people to be saved is by receiving Jesus as their Lord and Saviour --that is what the Scripture says ----

And if Jesus came to save the word then there is no climate change -----the world is saved until Jesus returns ----
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'Cosmos,' which means 'universe,' includes people as well. People are part of the 'cosmos' Christ comes, not to condemn, but to save.
You've managed 3 times now to miss the point. I'm starting to think it's deliberate.


Enjoy your covfefe.
 
unsafe said:
BetteTheRed ----From Strong's concordance
preeminently of "Jesus, as enjoying the supreme love of God, united to him in affectionate intimacy, privy to his saving counsels, obedient to the Father's will in all his acts":John 3:17;
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OK, from your reference (and Strong's is very old, but that doesn't make it very good on all points). But from another reference (a unitarian one), Him must automatically refer to God, the monotheistic one. So we are saved by Godde, through Godde. Which also makes perfect sense, and certainly opens up the verse to a not-exclusively-Christian view of "salvation".
 
BetteTheRed said:
And I'm not sure, in this verse, that the final "Him" refers to God or the Son. If you're a unitarian, makes a difference.
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This is a fairly common problem in Christian Scriptures. In English at least. Determining the antecedent noun for a pronoun can be difficult. However in this instance I think the Him refers to the Son. And in Johannine theology I suspect that there is a clearer sense that the Son is the Father is the Son.
 
Redbaron ---you wish it meant people as well -----and you are as usual on your rant ---always grasping at straws to duct the real way you have to be saved -----you like taking Jesus Christ out of your Religion and it leaves you with ianity -----which means nothing ---LOL
 
GordW said:
This is a fairly common problem in Christian Scriptures. In English at least. Determining the antecedent noun for a pronoun can be difficult. However in this instance I think the Him refers to the Son. And in Johannine theology I suspect that there is a clearer sense that the Son is the Father is the Son.
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Agreed because of the high Christology of John. However, as a contemporary reader, with a universalist bent, given that I try to take scripture seriously, not literally, I'm going with God, not son.
 
I went back to the opening post. The w
BetteTheRed said:
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This showed up on FB the other day. I like it a lot. And it doesn't just apply to indigenous religions. Personally, and historically, I identify most with Christianity. But I don't 'get' dissing other religions as a way to get followers for yours. I imagine most of us, even the ministers, agree?
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This was the first post. Bette the Red's opening question was whether or not we agreed that dissing other religions as a way to get followers for ours is wrong. I appreciated her question.

I agree with Bette.
 
I'd like to further note that I have not dissed unsafe's "religion" as she has none. I have, however, disagreed with her belief system. largely because it condemns others.

I pray for all of Godde's creation, from human to cockroach.
 
The sad irony, in my experience, is that evangelicals do much more to meet the needs of the needy than progressives, who are in full-scale retreat dur
to diminishing numbers ,financing, and an impoverished and biblically ungrounded wishy-washy theological message.
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Mystic said:
he sad irony, in my experience, is that evangelicals do much more to meet the needs of the needy than progressives,
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Your experience is yours. Our clients on Tuesday morning, "our" morning for community breakfast, appreciate our service.
 
We have an ecumenical "five days a week" breakfast for hungry people, Mon-Fri, in an agreed spot, the Sally Ann parking lot. "We" Jewish/Christian/Muslim/Sikh/Hindu people are into feeding our hungry neighbour, and listening to their stories.
 
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