The Church Vs. The State Civil Disobedience

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JACOB SPENST Associate Pastor has stepped in ... and the 'growing' congregation is still willing and able to make up their own minds ... they have decided amongst themselves to continue on in the same fashion they have for the 28 weeks before Pastor Coates decided that he was unable in good conscience to abide by unjustified restrictions. He willingly turned himself in to suffer the consequences ... of being unable to reconcile himself to going against his own conscience.
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Oh, dear.
 
Why exactly would a congregation be so "special" that they couldn't worship on-line? Even the most restrictive of rules allow a two-person bubble, if you live alone. Surely 1/2 of most populations has a working computer/smart phone, etc?
 
BetteTheRed said:
Why exactly would a congregation be so "special" that they couldn't worship on-line?
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The service is live streamed for those who prefer that. And the church is open for those who prefer that. The persons that choose to attend in church service have not put anyone in any more actual provable or deliberate danger. That you choose to ignore that does not make it less evidencially valid.
 
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Of course the people attending the church have put others in danger. One random person with unknown Covid is a danger to them all. And then they return to their homes and work places and are potentially putting those in danger

i am not sure why they are choosing this line in the sand. It is a selfish line

they look selfish, foolish, entitled

if they are sincerely wanting to do Gods work, get out and feed the homeless, or help abused women or thousands of other valuable activities. Being able to sit with my friends and listen to my minister is not some noble activity
 
It looks like due diligence on the part of the Pastor and his congregation. Looks can be deceiving.

At any rate, it falls according to those charged with maintaining the common good.

It also misses the point of the bail hearing. The bail hearing would have been about why the Pastor would not be able to adhere to bail conditions. My understanding is that it took the Crown less than two minutes to make their case with the Pastor's defence being a longer-winded, losing position.

The judge was not convinced that the Pastor would abide by conditions set for bail and the Pastor will continue to be held.

Defence for the Pastor was not able to convince the Judge that the bail conditions were disproportionate or otherwise unfair. We are free to disagree if we wish. We don't get a say in how the Judge decides to rule on the matter.

There is still the actual trial and perhaps the Defence can present a more compelling case at that point. Given the statement from the Church and the lack of actual references to research I think they are attempting to sledge uphill. They might pull it off. If so, kudos to them. Given that they are surrounded by congregations actually attempting to comply with public health directives aimed at the common good I suspect that they will not prevail.

Being neither judge nor jury I can only speculate.

One would think that as a Pastor myself I would be more sympathetic. I can empathize with the toll a closed Church takes on its members. Part of my Pastoral duties means attention directed towards those members who are more vulnerable to this kind of cessation in activities. I recognize that the conversations I have with those I serve might radically differ from the conversations that the Pastor has with those he serves. Since this is not so much a matter of theology (though theological ideology no doubt shapes engagement) as it is public health protocols it is the public health protocols that need to be shown to be deficient or unreasonable. So far that has not been demonstrated to the satisfaction of any judge with authority to make a ruling.
 
revjohn said:
it is the public health protocols that need to be shown to be deficient or unreasonable.
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Injection of the synthetic version of the Holy Spirit is now available through the public health protocols and all those partaking reasonably of this oh so much more efficient saving grace will be delivered sooner than those of the unclean and unsanctified persuasions.

In its first set of advice for people who have been vaccinated against COVID-19, the U.S. Centers for Diocese Control and Prevention said March 8 that these people can visit others, indoors and without masks or socially distancing, under specific conditions.

For WHO is the glory and the power and the kingdom forever and ever ... Amen?
 
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Redbaron said:
Some of us seem to have been inoculated with a phonograph needle. And the vinyl is scratched, and repeats itself... and repeats itself... and repeats it...
Well, you get the idea.
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Creeping play's tick ... with what bugs us in passion what can we know fore Shure ?
 
Redbaron said:
Some of us seem to have been inoculated with a phonograph needle. And the vinyl is scratched, and repeats itself... and repeats itself... and repeats it...
Well, you get the idea.
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Yes I certainly do get the idea ...

“Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth”, is a law of propaganda often attributed to the Nazi Joseph Goebbels.

Among psychologists something like this known as the "illusion of truth" effect.

Vaccines are safe and effective ?
 
Control the threads?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

No one is trying to control the thread. We're simply trying to balance out the conspiratorial foolishness with a modicum of truth, fact, sanity and reality.
 
Redbaron said:
Control the threads?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

No one is trying to control the thread. We're simply trying to balance out the conspiratorial foolishness with a modicum of truth, fact, sanity and reality.
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How do I put you specifically on ignore?
 
@Redbaron ... please advise ... how do I put you on ignore? Or are you part of the elite group here that is allowed to be as disruptive as they see fit in the name of moderating and never held to account themselves. Or possibly I can buy my way into that club ... how much do I have to pay to play without being indoctrinated.

In the political context, indoctrination is often analyzed as a tool of class warfare, where institutions of the state are identified as "conspiring" to maintain the status quo.
 
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It's very easy to put someone on ignore. Just click on the person's avatar and Ignore will come up as an option.

Generally I only use it if I need a break from someone. Small "I" ignoring them by scrolling past their posts is often best.
 
Disruptive? I thought Wondercafe2 was a place for posting ideas and questions or sharing information or experiences and then discussing them from various points of view. How are the Red Baron's comments disruptive? You posted the views of that congregation and the pastor along with your views. Some of us take the hazards of Covid-19 more seriously than you do and do not see wearing masks and practicing physical distancing as oppressive as you do.
 
I am not well known for my computer skills, but I have occasionally put someone on Ignore. If I can do it I'm sure you can too. I didn't bother to tell the person and the rest of the participants.
 
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