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GeoFee said:
Yes, followed by give to God what is God’s. Each much choose between the way of Caesar and the way of God. I stop at red lights, keep the speed limit, drive in the right lane and respect others driving on the road with me. All while living under the jurisdiction of the spirit. That said, I have on various occasions crossed legal boundaries and been arrested. When the spirit inspires my public witness the law becomes secondary. This fully aware of possible consequence.

Some quote Paul and insist that we must submit to the authority of law. I disagree. My model is given in the book of Acts. Some apostles are arrested and jailed. When released they are told not to repeat their public action. They respond by stating that they will be obedient to God alone.
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I think that God would want us to differentiate between the politics of the day and instead fight this disease using law's of nature he has set before us. Those laws we have discovered and possibly some yet to learn.
 
BetteTheRed said:
I said, "can't support 7.8 b people without large dense cities".
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So why are the people in large dense cities of Texas still going hungry ... right now. Please stop with all of your teaching me a lesson scenarios. Big cities are being turned into concentration camps by design ... right now.
 
Northwind said:
Yes, anarchists are not particularly fond of collectivism.
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No matter under what banner/label/name it hides itself—collectivism is about force and subjugation.

Using power of government, collectivism compels people to submit to the group under the excuse of 'it’s what’s best for the group/community/state/nation/globe'.

Just a few of the famous collectivists in history ... Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini, Joseph Stalin, Mao-Tse-Tung, Lenin ... the list could go on and on.
 
I have to admit the headline:

"Dead minks with Covid-19 mutation rise from their graves in Denmark", on Global News

freaked me out a little and made me extra curious! :)

(Imagine believing something like that literally without looking into what that's actually about - but that's a different discussion.)

globalnews.ca

Culled minks with COVID-19 mutation rise from their graves in Denmark - National | Globalnews.ca

"We assume it is the mink that were in the upper layer that pop up,'' officials said, calling it a "natural process."
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It is kind of scary and sad, and gross. I don't think I realized minks were so cute, either.
 
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Waterfall said:
I think that God would want us to differentiate between the politics of the day and instead fight this disease using law's of nature he has set before us. Those laws we have discovered and possibly some yet to learn.
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Breaking the laws of nature brings negative consequence.

We live in two realms. We are spirit beings living in material bodies. Covid is now attacking our material bodies. Our governments have put in place policies enforcing social isolation, to prevent the spread of material death. This is having a profound effect on our spiritual being. The majority of persons dying of covid are elderly. They are now dying alone, without the presence and support of their families. This resulting in profound spiritual distress. Not only the elderly are affected. The rates of depression and suicide have risen over the last months. These being the consequence of spiritual isolation.

I am of the opinion that we are experiencing the resistance of nature to our habits of pollution, by which water and air, as well as other aspects of nature, are threatened. Nature pushes back against our bad habits. This offers us opportunity to reconsider our priorities and commitments. We will change our ways or we will perish.

"As the saying goes, “As you sow, so shall you reap”. We will be rewarded or punished according to the good or bad deeds that we do. We all know that we cannot escape from the law of nature. Sowing and reaping, are part and parcel of the law of nature. If we sow good seeds in our lives, we will get good results."
 
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GeoFee said:
Our governments have put in place policies enforcing social isolation, to prevent the spread of material death.
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But was it "government" that decided to warehouse the elderly in "nursing homes"?

It is the structure of the homes, and the employment in them (and disgustingly, the profit margin expected in many), that caused a situation whereby "the government" has had to employ measures to try and prevent a devastating number of deaths in nursing homes from a pandemic. A similar sort of situation occurs for weeks at a time every winter during flu season. If this pandemic had been handled the same way as the annual flu season (where institutions are only in lockdown if there are residents of the home with active cases), probably would have worked better; because I do agree that a week or two at a time is tolerable, but months on end is endless.

I think that your cart is in front of your horse. The problem you identify is less with pandemic response than in our general treatment of the elderly (out of sight, out of mind, low in value).
 
BetteTheRed said:
But was it "government" that decided to warehouse the elderly in "nursing homes"?

It is the structure of the homes, and the employment in them (and disgustingly, the profit margin expected in many), that caused a situation whereby "the government" has had to employ measures to try and prevent a devastating number of deaths in nursing homes from a pandemic. A similar sort of situation occurs for weeks at a time every winter during flu season. If this pandemic had been handled the same way as the annual flu season (where institutions are only in lockdown if there are residents of the home with active cases), probably would have worked better; because I do agree that a week or two at a time is tolerable, but months on end is endless.

I think that your cart is in front of your horse. The problem you identify is less with pandemic response than in our general treatment of the elderly (out of sight, out of mind, low in value).
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Do you agree, generally, that our social policies, regarding the elderly and also others of all ages, have been informed and directed by ideas incompatible with healthy and happy human being?

I worked as a care giver to variously disabled and dying elders. To do this with compassion I had to break many rules put in place by my employers.
 
GeoFee said:
To do this with compassion I had to break many rules put in place by my employers.
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Gotcha. But if you're a PSW, who has an 8-hour shift, and a child waiting to be picked up from daycare, and you only make a little over min wage for back-breaking work, that usually requires two part-time jobs to equal a sufficient wage on which to live. And the rules say that you must get X # jobs (bathing, feeding, etc.) performed for Y# people, or you'll get fired, or you'll work for hours for free, what do you do?

Any system for caring for our elders that incorporates a profit motive is inherently problematic, to say the least. This isn't a product you can choose between.
 
I cared for an elderly gentleman who had a serious stroke. My task sheet included waking him up, getting him dressed, preparing his breakfast, lunch and supper, then getting him back into bed. Between these designated tasks I was to simply watch him. This did not sit well with me. So I took him for walks, supported him as he worked in his garden, played checkers and spent time in conversation.

This gentleman was in a deep depression when I first started my practice of care. After one year he was a new man. His daughter let me know that his family spoke of this as a miracle. Had my employer found out about my failure to keep exclusively to the task sheet, I would have been reprimanded and possibly fired.

This is one example of many such situations.
 
GeoFee said:
My task sheet included waking him up, getting him dressed, preparing his breakfast, lunch and supper, then getting him back into bed. Between these designated tasks I was to simply watch him. This did not sit well with me.
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Hard to argue with that. Pretty Mom's apple pie. And you'd have been doing nought while you watched, which is not terribly nice. It's like me watching an ancient old lady pack her own grocery bags while I wait for her to finish. I'm not supposed to touch bags that customers have brought with them, but I bend the rules a bit (now, I know my old ladies; I've got one very organized old dear who is very quick, and very particular about what goes with what who I would no more offer to help than fly to the moon; we yack instead).

How do you feel about that PSW I mentioned above? Not an imaginary figure. Now, not only has she got "not much or none" in the way of sick time/pharma care/pension benefits because she's got two part-time jobs, but would you have her feel guilty if she doesn't "break the rules" and insists on taking 2 15-minute breaks & a 1/2 hr meal break during her shift (or whatever her union negotiates)?
 
Ritafee said:
Big cities are being turned into concentration camps by design [a pandemic].. right now.
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Fixed your mistake. You have to be deeply conspiratorial to think that a pandemic, which should at least have been "anticipated", by SARS and MERS and other pandemics of history, was "designed".

Of course, there's huge problems with hunger during an economic downturn caused by a global pandemic. There are so many parallels to the 16-18 Spanish Flu outbreak.
 
BetteTheRed said:
Hard to argue with that. Pretty Mom's apple pie. And you'd have been doing nought while you watched, which is not terribly nice. It's like me watching an ancient old lady pack her own grocery bags while I wait for her to finish. I'm not supposed to touch bags that customers have brought with them, but I bend the rules a bit (now, I know my old ladies; I've got one very organized old dear who is very quick, and very particular about what goes with what who I would no more offer to help than fly to the moon; we yack instead).

How do you feel about that PSW I mentioned above? Not an imaginary figure. Now, not only has she got "not much or none" in the way of sick time/pharma care/pension benefits because she's got two part-time jobs, but would you have her feel guilty if she doesn't "break the rules" and insists on taking 2 15-minute breaks & a 1/2 hr meal break during her shift (or whatever her union negotiates)?
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If I read correctly, which I often fail to do, I would be sympathetic to such a person. Further, I am frustrated by an alleged democracy that serves the rich and neglects the poor. Why are citizens not insisting that their elected representatives pursue justice?
 
GeoFee said:
Why are citizens not insisting that their elected representatives pursue justice?
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Well, we sort of are, if the people we vote for, get elected. With the first past the post system, I'm like, Dear Conservative MP (in a riding which has rarely in history voted anything but Conservative), please don't do what DoFo wants you to...
 
BetteTheRed said:
Fixed your mistake. You have to be deeply conspiratorial to think that a pandemic, which should at least have been "anticipated", by SARS and MERS and other pandemics of history, was "designed".

Of course, there's huge problems with hunger during an economic downturn caused by a global pandemic. There are so many parallels to the 16-18 Spanish Flu outbreak.
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You have to be willfully ignorant to insist that this 'plandemic' response was not by globalist design in anticipation of the next historical pandemic.

There was already huge problems with hunger during the already economic downturn caused by unequal wealth and resource distribution prior to the biological pandemic. Look around ... the rich are prospering off of the pandemic ... the not so rich are being corralled and culled. Just keep on ignoring the reality and blame everything on the virus ... that is what you have been socially engineered to do.
 
So, we are not supposed to work for money?

How exactly is this society going to function? I just don't get it.
 
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