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Lastpointe said:
Despite what we may think of him, he is a very good politician. He works the media. He changes the channel with ease. And he is right about some stuff. he is odious and disgusting. He is anti science. It people love him because they think he is one of them. Not sure what that means about their self opinion. But he very successfully develops an in going us and against the world mentality. It is quite amazing to watch
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He's not much of a politician. He doesn't even know anything about politics. He overcompensates with egotistical showmanship. He steamrolls all the checks and balances, all the seperate branches of government that provide oversight over him. That's a dictator. He's a good populist dictator - only by accident because he's an unabashed childish narcissist. He's really an enigma - in my lifetime anyway.
 
I could see it coming a year before he was elected. I hoped against hope they wouldn't vote for him - that the electoral forces would prevail against him. My landlord at the time said, "Don't worry. They're not 'that' stupid." But they were. And they're (the Dems) making the same mistake running Biden - so there's a strong possibility, if not probability, Trump will win again. If he doesn't just cancel the election.
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
If he doesn't just cancel the election.
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Actually, he legally can't. The election law requires congressional assent to any change. And one constitutional expert I read (don't have the cite handy) said that if there is no election, then there is no president. He constitutionally has to step down in January. If he is re-elected, he is effectively his own successor, but if not, then they are left with a vacancy. That means executive power falls to the third in the chain of command: Speaker of the House. Pelosi, in other words. Trump's not going to risk that happening.
 
Mendalla said:
Actually, he legally can't. The election law requires congressional assent to any change. And one constitutional expert I read (don't have the cite handy) said that if there is no election, then there is no president. He constitutionally has to step down in January. If he is re-elected, he is effectively his own successor, but if not, then they are left with a vacancy. That means executive power falls to the third in the chain of command: Speaker of the House. Pelosi, in other words. Trump's not going to risk that happening.
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Seems to me there are a lot of things he's not supposed to have been able to do, but he's done. He's got the Supreme Court stacked in his favour, and his loyal Bill Barr as AG.

One fear is that he'll use his Emergency Powers. I read that he can do that - but I could be wrong. He was spouting off about having total authority a few weeks ago.

If he loses (big "if" unfortunately) he might try to cause a fuss over it, discredit the results - because he probably couldn't handle it. It would be like him to do that.
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
He's not much of a politician. He doesn't even know anything about politics. He overcompensates with egotistical showmanship. He steamrolls all the checks and balances, all the seperate branches of government that provide oversight over him. That's a dictator. He's a good populist dictator - only by accident because he's an unabashed childish narcissist. He's really an enigma - in my lifetime anyway.
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agree that he is all those things. But he is a politician who is amazingly good at doing what he wants, keeping his followers with him, making th emerita jump by doing bizarre things, changing the channel at will. That may make him odious, a child king of America but it still makes hI’m very good at what he does We may not like it but every time he does some idiotic thing, that you think must be the final straw, it isn’t. Every time he thinks people with automatic weapons threatening a governor is ok, you think surely that is the end. And it isn’t

best scenario would be he dies from taking this malaria med. then they have a rush to get a new republican candidate and they move on
 
And while I have read that he simply can’t cancel the election and even if they did by the constitution he is no longer president on Inauguration Day, I wonder what will happen with the election. If he loses and there have been a high percentage of mail in ballots, will he accept the result? And if he doesn’t accept it ,what will happen?
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
Seems to me there are a lot of things he's not supposed to have been able to do, but he's done. He's got the Supreme Court stacked in his favour, and his loyal Bill Barr as AG.

One fear is that he'll use his Emergency Powers. I read that he can do that - but I could be wrong. He was spouting off about having total authority a few weeks ago.

If he loses (big "if" unfortunately) he might try to cause a fuss over it, discredit the results - because he probably couldn't handle it. It would be like him to do that.
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Can you imagine such things?

Some people say the imagination is abstract in the mind ... and thus black. Thus it'll be a dark day in hell when Trump gives a damn or gives in to the lessor beasts ... the demons ... representing democracy! Some democrats may be wearing masques tho' as you watch the party shifting going on ... even Trump was once a democrat ... and now he hates them ... leading to self-hatred! It is the way tho'tz go round ...

No wonder much of Christianity is so subtle and underground in nature ... fecund? Things do sprout and the spore continues ... that's the word coming from the soap-box ... kerygmatic? It just won;t wash ... thus shady ... like idigo if you cotten well under the stars ...
 
The election date was set by the 28th Congress in 1844: "... the electors of President and Vice President shall be appointed in each State on the Tuesday next after the first Monday in the month of November of the year in which they are to be appointed." The manner for appointing the electors is determined by each state independently, as per Article II, Section I of the US Constitution: "Each State shall appoint, is such manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors equal to the whole number of Senators and Representatives to which the State my be entitled in the Congress." Every state Legislature by now has directed that the electors are chosen by the people, although the specifics of how that takes place varies from state to state (there is no national election law in the United States.) That's why some states allow mail-in ballots and some don't. For the election date to be changed would require an act of Congress to repeal or amend the legislation of 1844. Even if the Republicans were inclined to do so it's not very likely that such legislation could pass the House of Representatives, given that it's controlled by the Democrats. The president - regardless of Trump's blathering about Article II giving him full power to do anything he wants - has no emergency powers that would allow him to change and/or cancel the election date. So there will be an election of presidential electors on November 3.

I suspect that if he loses Trump will claim voter fraud. I mean, he won in 2016 and still claimed voter fraud - why wouldn't he if he loses in 2020. But he can claim whatever he wants. He can't simply refuse to leave office. Article XX, Section 1 of the US Constitution is very clear: "The terms of the President and Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January ... of the years in which such terms would have ended if this Article had not been ratified;" (so, 2021) "and the terms of their successors shall then begin." (So, the president doesn't become president when he or she takes the oath of office; the president takes the oath of office because he or she has already become president - it's always administered just after the clock hits noon.) So if Trump lost there's little he could do except whine about it. Some people speak of him possibly refusing to leave the White House. OK. He still wouldn't be the president whether he was in the White House or not and presumably Biden (or whoever his successor was) could order the US Marshall or even the military to forcibly evict him if he chose to or he could just govern from Blair House or wherever and let Trump wander the hallways of the White House like George III wandered Buckingham Palace for the last few years of his reign after he went mad while his son performed the role of King. Even if by some chance Trump got Congress to change or cancel the election - his term is governed by the Constitution, not by an act of Congress, and would require a constitutional amendment to change - which is definitely not going to happen. So the succession laws would come into play at noon on January 20 if the presidential electors had not been chosen or if they had failed to elect a president.

My big fear is that if Trump loses there is great potential for violence in the United States. Those guys with guns who have taken to storming state legislatures might not be happy with a Biden victory.
 
Thanks @revsdd. I was watching David Frum the other day and he explained why the president can't just stay if he loses the election. He did point out that he could challenge or something in the couple weeks between the election and the time the electoral college declares the new president. After which time, he'd be breaking the, law if he stayed. That was helpful.
 
Waterfall said:
Has he started any wars or just inherited them as most presidents do?
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He has not started any so far. And the ones he inherited basically go back to at least Dubya. Even the ISIS insurgency can be traced to the bungled invasion of Iraq.

The thing with Trump is that he is, at heart, an isolationist with no real interest in foreign policy. Yeah, he'll rage and bluster, but in the end, he uses trade and economic measures as his primary weapon. He came into office bragging that he'd bring home the troops.

So I actually don't think he'd start a war, even for political purposes. I would be more worried about the gun-toting loons who think he's "their" president starting some kind of domestic insurgency, possibly with his tacit blessing.
 
Mrs.Anteater said:
If he loses, I am worried he would start a war somewhere and use some emergency laws to stay in office.
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There are no emergency laws that would allow him to either cancel the election or to stay in office if he loses. If he is not re-elected his term as president ends at noon on January 20, 2021. He simply ceases to be president at that moment. It's that simple. There is no reputable legal or constitutional scholar who believes otherwise.
 
Mendalla said:
He has not started any so far. And the ones he inherited basically go back to at least Dubya. Even the ISIS insurgency can be traced to the bungled invasion of Iraq.

The thing with Trump is that he is, at heart, an isolationist with no real interest in foreign policy. Yeah, he'll rage and bluster, but in the end, he uses trade and economic measures as his primary weapon. He came into office bragging that he'd bring home the troops.

So I actually don't think he'd start a war, even for political purposes. I would be more worried about the gun-toting loons who think he's "their" president starting some kind of domestic insurgency, possibly with his tacit blessing.
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Actually, Biden is hawkish and I wish the Dems weren't so likely to go with him as candidate. No good choices again. But they need an adult in office. An adult seems like a low bar, but it's the best than can be hoped for.
 
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revsdd said:
There are no emergency laws that would allow him to either cancel the election or to stay in office if he loses. If he is not re-elected his term as president ends at noon on January 20, 2021. He simply ceases to be president at that moment. It's that simple. There is no reputable legal or constitutional scholar who believes otherwise.
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That is good news. He will be the first President evicted from the White House.
 
There is a breed of CEO's that believe executive orders are the only decent ideal in the entire existence ... giving rise to increasing narcism. Do research on Dick Cheney and the hatchetman of Scott Paper, Sunbeam ... after they were done loping labour ... so as to save money and reduce the work of the marketplace. Who will hold up to it ...?

“Ideas are dangerous, but the man to whom they are least dangerous is the man of ideas. He is acquainted with ideas, and moves among them like a lion-tamer. Ideas are dangerous, but the man to whom they are most dangerous is the man of no ideas. The man of no ideas will find the first idea fly to his head like wine to the head of a teetotaller. It is a common error, I think, among the Radical idealists of my own party and period to suggest that financiers and business men are a danger to the empire because they are so sordid or so materialistic. The truth is that financiers and business men are a danger to the empire because they can be sentimental about any sentiment, and idealistic about any ideal, any ideal that they find lying about, just as a boy who has not known much of women is apt too easily to take a woman for the woman, so these practical men, unaccustomed to causes, are always inclined to think that if a thing is proved to be an ideal it is proved to be the ideal.”

― G.K. Chesterton, Heretics

Isn't that wild as the wild woman theory of Psyche poking holes in your emotional baggage (neural 'đ) issue? I say tis choch'n ... thus some shack in the forest of O' Din ... a racket to be sure! Camp Belles can bring a Mac Donald down ... quacks or quarks?

Is emotion or intellect a stormy quark in the vacuous zone of neuro SOS! Caution ... don't get sucked up ... IT is out there --- Sam Johnson!
 
Cheer up. The super rich in the U.S. have increased their wealth (with government help) in the last couple of months. They are now richer by 343 billion. At last they can feed their children.

I haven't seen any figures for Canada. I guess Trudeau is too shy to tell us.
 
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