Mrs.Anteater
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On the other hand, if you just have a bit of sniffles, no fever, you would not stay home for that. You wouldn’t know if this is just allergies flaring up or something else. By that time, you are already spreading it.
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Carolla
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Poverty and racialization are closely linked in many countries and have huge relationship with the social determinants of (poor) health. Today I heard a surprising stat from the US - that 60% of the deaths occured amongst those who are racialized - mainly black and hispanic in the US - despite the fact that these groups make up only 13% (?) of the total population. So hugely disproportionate.
Mrs.Anteater
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I would think we would see this also between the western and the developing world, except that the stats from the developing world are likely not very accurate.
This article from the Guardian is about the discrepancy between the way black and white communities are treated in NYC. In black communities people are getting beaten up by cops for not wearing masks (by cops not wearing masks), in the white(er/est) areas, cops are not cracking down on social distancing by the looks of it - and are even handing out masks to people.
A tale of two cities: how New York police enforce social distancing by the color of your skin
A tale of two cities: how New York police enforce social distancing by the color of your skin
That policy was always in place for flu epidemics etc....., it's just that management never enforced it.
And yet India has many poor and they seem to be faring better compared to most countries. Some are speculating it may be due to a vegetarian diet? Or spices used? Being outdoors more? Better lockdown procedures?
PilgrimsProgress
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Yes, in New York the deaths are mainly black and hispanic - but the point is that these groups are a large part of the lowest socio-economic group - (class).
I wonder how many of the upper middle-class blacks and hispanics have died?
The class struggle is as real today in affluent countries as it ever was - yet it often more disregarded than it has ever been in my lifetime..
PilgrimsProgress
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But who brings it into the nursing homes? More often than not, it's poorly paid staff........
Also, staff rotating between different nursing homes, and multiple contractors employing staff in one place. They put a stop to staff rotating from place to place here, as a response to the virus. Maybe nothing else would've changed it. It was bad neoliberal policy then, as it is now.
ChemGal
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Bad stats? Higher mortality rates already in the populations that tend to be more susceptible so they aren't around now to deal with this too? I feel at this point there are just way too many variables to tweeze apart the differences of a country like India. To compare some cultural differences, countries like Japan and Canada would be easier.
Not to say we should just ignore entirely but the list of possibilities seems way too broad for now.
Mrs.Anteater
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Oh, there is no question that income and health status is closely connected. But, I don’t think in this case infection would be avoidable, because of the long incubation time and it being contagious before having symptoms. Its like avoiding to catch a cold in the winter. Yes, some people are able to do that, but most people have enough stressors and other factors in their lives that they have at least one cold per season.
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I have also read that there is some aspect of it being a more severe disease inThe black population. But the article also said that could be because obesity and diabetes are more pronounced inThe black population
PilgrimsProgress
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The Obamas are not obese or, to my knowledge, don't suffer from diabetes......
Which is why I think it's a bit misleading to see it as a racial divide - more accurate i.m.o. to see it as a class divide.
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It's a bit more complicated though. Like hypertension, African Americans have very high rates, and a fair bit of that is related to how they got to America. So what the class was of generations past and not just what their current class is.
Carolla
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I agree re class divide - lots of white americans are obese, have HTN, diabetes etc. "Class" is not something we're much accustomed to using as a distinction these days I think - it's more common to see the racialized categories being used - at least in the US, and maybe too in Canada. We have just started 'disaggregating' (what a word eh?) the race info on COVID data apparently. In the past they often collected postal code info - in the greater Toronto area these tell a tale of neighbourhood, which then suggests likely race/ethnic background.
Mrs.Anteater
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Germany has eased kn the restrictions some, opening stores and planning the return to school under certain restrictions. Meanwhile, several cities had demonstrations of impatient citizens together with right and left wing extremist, who spread conspiracies and do not keep distance or wear masks.
Within a week, the rate of new infections has increased to about 1800 a day. Germany is fortunate to have the best health system in Europe.
For mothers day, they allowed one relative to visit under controlled circumstances- masks, temperature measurement, hand sanitizer, 6 ft distance, sitting outside on the patio.
Within a week, the rate of new infections has increased to about 1800 a day. Germany is fortunate to have the best health system in Europe.
For mothers day, they allowed one relative to visit under controlled circumstances- masks, temperature measurement, hand sanitizer, 6 ft distance, sitting outside on the patio.
Mrs.Anteater
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oops, I meant to add a sentence in my previous post
Uh-oh. This shouldn't be happening yet. Vancouver residents are ignoring the memo. It was 26 degrees, I guess a whole bunch of people couldn't stop themselves.
I was at the beach here briefly (where my phone battery died). It was late in the day, and there were likely fewer people by then, but the small clusters that were there were no more than 4 people, adequately distanced, or couples sitting together...and a couple of kids, likely siblings, playing in the sand. The tide was moving up though, so everyone was getting ready to leave. I was up on the walkway, well distanced from anyone, looking over the beach area. It looked nothing like Vancouver. I also went through a couple of parks today, and there were no crowds at all. Just a few couples and groups of three maybe, all spread out, and occasionally a person or two strolling by.
Incidentally I used to live in the neighbourhood where the Van beach/ park photo was taken, and it gets packed there every year - it's lovely, California-like, and I miss it. I miss the big city vibe. My dad came to visit once, and when we were down by that beach, about 50 nude bicyclists rode by ages approx. 21-81! (He can only pretend to be conservative for so long...that got a laugh out of him!) They do it every year, but maybe not this year?
I would think people would be a bit more careful right now. I hope there is not spike in serious cases!
...and I hope there isn't a crack-down because of this.
vancouversun.com
I was at the beach here briefly (where my phone battery died). It was late in the day, and there were likely fewer people by then, but the small clusters that were there were no more than 4 people, adequately distanced, or couples sitting together...and a couple of kids, likely siblings, playing in the sand. The tide was moving up though, so everyone was getting ready to leave. I was up on the walkway, well distanced from anyone, looking over the beach area. It looked nothing like Vancouver. I also went through a couple of parks today, and there were no crowds at all. Just a few couples and groups of three maybe, all spread out, and occasionally a person or two strolling by.
Incidentally I used to live in the neighbourhood where the Van beach/ park photo was taken, and it gets packed there every year - it's lovely, California-like, and I miss it. I miss the big city vibe. My dad came to visit once, and when we were down by that beach, about 50 nude bicyclists rode by ages approx. 21-81! (He can only pretend to be conservative for so long...that got a laugh out of him!) They do it every year, but maybe not this year?
I would think people would be a bit more careful right now. I hope there is not spike in serious cases!
...and I hope there isn't a crack-down because of this.
COVID-19: Parks and beaches busy as Vancouverites soaked up the sun this weekend
As Vancouverites embraced their new opportunity to get outdoors, they also debated the risks — and mostly kept a decent distance between them.
vancouversun.com
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I am noticing almost everyone on that beach is white (and trying to get a tan). That is not at all representative of Vancouver or what the beach normally looks like. Normally you see people of all ethnicities and complexions. It is, however, more representative of privelege and entitlement. Reminds me of the Florida spring break people. Just sayin.
Here is not as diverse to begin with. It doesn't have the same demographics so that observation doesn't apply the same way here. Though there is a lot of privelege here. People are doing the distancing though. I even saw an old craftsman house with a baby gate (painted to match the house trim) across the front porch/ open veranda "threshold". I thought it was probably their social distance gate for deliveries.
Here is not as diverse to begin with. It doesn't have the same demographics so that observation doesn't apply the same way here. Though there is a lot of privelege here. People are doing the distancing though. I even saw an old craftsman house with a baby gate (painted to match the house trim) across the front porch/ open veranda "threshold". I thought it was probably their social distance gate for deliveries.
Are you sure that’s true? Where'd you learn that? That sounds suspiciously unscientifically biased to me - when class is linked to "race based" genetics.
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