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chansen said:
Do you really think that's what Canadians associate with Christianity? Do you really think that's what most Christians believe?

That's a niche Christian belief. It would be wafer thin on a pie chart. If you have some wishy-washy idea that the Earth is a living thing and God wants us to watch over her and loves everyone....wonderful. I mean, it's a bit kooky, but sure. Meanwhile, that's not really the problem. This place is not representative of Christianity as a whole. I doubt it's an accurate cross section of UCCan members.

Christians have a terrible credibility problem. You have a terrible racist problem. You have a terrible authoritarian problem. You have so many issues that so many Canadians see, and you don't.

If I was a Christian in the way you're a Christian, I would be losing it on some people. I have fun with those sorts because they aren't on my team, so I can mock them and know that nobody associates them with me. If they were associated with me, I'd be horrified. It would cease to be funny.
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Oh I see it and I'm not quiet.....but those things don't just come from the religeous. I also see the good....do you?
 
Waterfall said:
Of course there is danger from any belief being taken into hate....it doesnt have to be religeous to do so.
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Which just goes to show that religiois beliefs are no different, no better or worse, no more true or false, than any other set of beliefs. Religion is not special and deserves no more or less respect than any other belief.
 
chansen said:
If you had no disability, you'd be thanking God. The excuses never end. If it's good, it's of God. If it's bad, God had a reason. God, then, apparently only does not exist in the mediocre.
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Always to rejoice is a Christian characteristic. Our attitude toward God is joyful. Our prayers are accompanied by thanksgiving, for gifts will be forthcoming if our prayer is made in faith. God's will toward us in Christ is that we give thanks at all times, in all things.
 
Mendalla said:
Which just goes to show that religiois beliefs are no different, no better or worse, no more true or false, than any other set of beliefs. Religion is not special and deserves no more or less respect than any other belief.
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Well I wouldn't go that far......but you're entitled to your opinion.
 
Waterfall said:
Oh I see it and I'm not quiet.....but those things don't just come from the religeous. I also see the good....do you?
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It's getting pretty damn hard. The greater political fight these days is against right-wing populism, and that's a largely Christian-driven phenomenon. So often the political and social battles are against Christians that it becomes difficult for more liberal Canadians to have a positive view of Christianity.
 
chansen said:
It's getting pretty damn hard. The greater political fight these days is against right-wing populism, and that's a largely Christian-driven phenomenon. So often the political and social battles are against Christians that it becomes difficult for more liberal Canadians to have a positive view of Christianity.
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Freedom's when you have nothing left to lose ... thus the tyrants believe some should lose it all! Tis not that great ...
 
Waterfall said:
Well I wouldn't go that far......but you're entitled to your opinion.
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What's so great about your faith when it has so many jerks? Why does your faith attract so many racists? Why do so many of your faith think climate change is a scientific hoax? Why do so many of your faith want to close borders to refugees? Why do so many Christian leaders instinctively take their pants off when left alone with children?

I mean, Mendalla was just suggesting religious beliefs were no better or worse than any other set of beliefs. You want to disagree, but I say that doesn't go far enough. Religious belief is a disaster that we can only hope to mitigate.
 
chansen said:
I'm concerned about Christians, and what they think "God" is telling them. That's the problem.
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unreserved agreement on this. The masses are deeply deluded concerning the meaning and purpose of the word God in our human vocabulary. This under the jurisdiction of the State blessed by the Church. For my part the word God is employed to expose that collusion. I am equally able to serve this purpose without resort to the word God.
 
Jae said:
Always to rejoice is a Christian characteristic. Our attitude toward God is joyful. Our prayers are accompanied by thanksgiving, for gifts will be forthcoming if our prayer is made in faith. God's will toward us in Christ is that we give thanks at all times, in all things.
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This is one place (among many, granted) where you I part company. I believe that in no way is God a source of suffering. And I firmly believe that God can handle anger, frustration, bitterness, and so on, directed at Her. Just look at the laments.
 
chansen said:
What's so great about your faith when it has so many jerks? Why does your faith attract so many racists? Why do so many of your faith think climate change is a scientific hoax? Why do so many of your faith want to close borders to refugees? Why do so many Christian leaders instinctively take their pants off when left alone with children?

I mean, Mendalla was just suggesting religious beliefs were no better or worse than any other set of beliefs. You want to disagree, but I say that doesn't go far enough. Religious belief is a disaster that we can only hope to mitigate.
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One could say much the same about the film industry and secular politicians etc..... like I said, not many areas in life are immune from having outspoken jerks.
 
I do not understand this God is Not stuff.

I don't understand "gaps" - places where Godde is not. If Godde is everything, then Godde is everywhere.
 
DaisyJane said:
This is one place (among many, granted) where you I part company. I believe that in no way is God a source of suffering. And I firmly believe that God can handle anger, frustration, bitterness, and so on, directed at Her. Just look at the laments.
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Where do you see me here saying that God's a source of suffering? Where do you see me saying that God can't handle such things?
 
Waterfall said:
Well I wouldn't go that far......but you're entitled to your opinion.
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See below for reply.
Jae said:
Well said. The danger lies on the hate. The God I serve is of love, peace and joy.
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In reply to you both. Neither of you has read his bible fully, because if you had you would know that "god is love" is untrue. and your religion is nothing but hate speak, an incitement to violence. There is one thing for sure that no other belief/stance/doctrine preaches, it is only found in religion. Exodus 22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live. But you're of course entitled to your opinion.
 
Pavlos Maros said:
See below for reply.

In reply to you both. Neither of you has read his bible fully, because if you had you would know that "god is love" is untrue. and your religion is nothing but hate speak, an incitement to violence. There is one thing for sure that no other belief/stance/doctrine preaches, it is only found in religion. Exodus 22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live. But you're of course entitled to your opinion.
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Can't speak for Waterfall. Personally, I've read my Bible cover-to-cover, preached from it in churches, and studied it at the post-graduate level. You?
 
Pavlos Maros said:
Exodus 22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live. But you're of course entitled to your opinion.
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Let's consider Galatians 5:19-21 (emphasis mine), "And the works of the flesh be open, which be fornication, uncleanness, unchastity, lechery, serving to idols, witchcrafts, enmities, strives, indignations, wraths, chidings, dissensions, sects, envies, manslayings, drunken-nesses, gluttonies, and like things to these, which I say to you before, as I have told to you before, for they that do such things, shall not have the kingdom of God." (WYC)

Witches, as spoken of in Exodus 22:18, tried to use sorcery to tamper with supernatural powers. According to the Galatians passage, those who engage in such tampering won’t inherit God’s kingdom. God’s judgment will come upon them for doing such things. The thing is Pavlos, while the Bible makes it clear that God is loving, it also portrays God as holy and unable to abide with sin. All who engage in such activities as witchcraft, suggests Galatians, can’t inherit heaven and rescue.
 
Jae said:
Can't speak for Waterfall. Personally, I've read my Bible cover-to-cover, preached from it in churches, and studied it at the post-graduate level.
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All irrelevant if you haven't comprehended it. It is either that or you are prevaricating. Especially if as you say, you have preached it.
 
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