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Mrs.Anteater said:
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Five Climate Change Science Misconceptions – Debunked

Denial of climate change has contributed to the lack of progress in reducing green house gas emissions, putting future generations in jeopardy.
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Is denial of the environment a potential reach into things we'd rather not know about ... as stretch, or anxiety? I know people that would rather not extend themselves into knowing Moor ... flat out area of many shades of vertigo ...
 
come on! I am tired of all the fakery. Let’s just do it!


Every municipality should send out a simple questionnaire with the utility bill.

Check here if you are against fossil fuel. If the resident checks the box, then the municipality would just turn off all the services that are only available due to fossil fuels. Like heat, clean water, power, garbage collection.

That should almost solve all our carbon dioxide problems, because all the whining should end before the second cold snap.
 
Olive oil is fossil ... now only used for cooking!

Things change except for the piously fixated ... that'd be battered chicken!
 
Pontifex Geronimo 13 said:
Every municipality should send out a simple questionnaire with the utility bill.

Check here if you are against fossil fuel. If the resident checks the box, then the municipality would just turn off all the services that are only available due to fossil fuels. Like heat, clean water, power, garbage collection.

That should almost solve all our carbon dioxide problems, because all the whining should end before the second cold snap.
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So the way to stop carbon dioxide problems is to stop the whining? I'm guessing science wasn't your strong point in school?
 
Waterfall said:
So the way to stop carbon dioxide problems is to stop the whining? I'm guessing science wasn't your strong point in school?
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It was. I took all three sciences. That is a valid scientific hypotheses. I believe we are dealing with hypocrites of immense proportions.

I could be wrong. It needs to be tested.

There are probably 3 groups of fossil fuel haters.

1. These people are not fakes. They already have found a way to live fossil fuel free. Shutting off their power would have no effect. I wonder how big this group is.

2. These people are surviving in this world only by fossil fuels, but wish they weren’t and would go to their death defending their religion against carbon dioxide, even though it is the food of life on earth. So the first cold snap would wipe them out. They were not too smart, but willing to die for their convictions.
Noble dummies - but kudos for the noble part. Their departure would mean a decrease in carbon dioxide emissions. Byproduct of no more whining.

3. This group of course is (I may be wrong) the largest group. They complain all the time but do nothing. Fancy themselves morally superior, but when push come to shove would change their mind on electricity and heat the moment the heat dropped to 17 degrees. They eat pineapple and bananas with no idea how food gets here. Have no idea how steel, glass, concrete, plastic, everything in their lives came to be. The hospital and all the equipment that was required to bring them safely into this world. This group needs to put up or shut up.

Given that choice-(I could be wrong - still only a hypothesis) they would shut up.

One of Al Gore’s homes consumes 22 x as much energy as the average. How does he justify that?

 
Pontifex Geronimo 13 said:
It was. I took all three sciences. That is a valid scientific hypotheses. I believe we are dealing with hypocrites of immense proportions.

I could be wrong. It needs to be tested.

There are probably 3 groups of fossil fuel haters.

1. These people are not fakes. They already have found a way to live fossil fuel free. Shutting off their power would have no effect. I wonder how big this group is.

2. These people are surviving in this world only by fossil fuels, but wish they weren’t and would go to their death defending their religion against carbon dioxide, even though it is the food of life on earth. So the first cold snap would wipe them out. They were not too smart, but willing to die for their convictions.
Noble dummies - but kudos for the noble part. Their departure would mean a decrease in carbon dioxide emissions. Byproduct of no more whining.

3. This group of course is (I may be wrong) the largest group. They complain all the time but do nothing. Fancy themselves morally superior, but when push come to shove would change their mind on electricity and heat the moment the heat dropped to 17 degrees. They eat pineapple and bananas with no idea how food gets here. Have no idea how steel, glass, concrete, plastic, everything in their lives came to be. The hospital and all the equipment that was required to bring them safely into this world. This group needs to put up or shut up.

Given that choice-(I could be wrong - still only a hypothesis) they would shut up.

One of Al Gore’s homes consumes 22 x as much energy as the average. How does he justify that?
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So your solution is to keep going the way we've been going?
This reminds me of every disaster movie I've ever watched, where the scientists are the last to be believed and then everyone scurries around to fix it after it's too late.
Unfortunately I do agree with you on some level, I don't believe people in general will do what it takes until "big brother" (aka the government) steps in and passes laws that limit plastic manufacturing and encourage and fund research for transportation alternatives such as lowering taxes for those who drive smaller gas efficient cars only, etc....
 
GeoFee said:
I am puzzled by the advertising advocating recycling. Why does the media say next to nothing about reusing and reducing?
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Some do, some don't. Depends on which media you're looking at. We do both at home but we also don't rely on the media to tell us what to do.
 
The change cannot come from consumers - too many hurdles. That'll barely make a dent. It has to come from producers. The producers need to get the hurdles out of the way. In other words, new, clean forms of energy production - getting the technology to market and phasing out fossil fuels and plastics expediently so they are not available for everyday consumption en masse (and the plastics in circulation are reduced, re-used and recycled and repurposed, and don't require new production of more - because they really don't.)

Even if the number of people committed to no oil and no plastic increases by 100%, the stuff sits on store shelves and in warehouses and is being manufactured and transported en masse everyday. If it's not going in your home it still has to be somewhere. Out of sight out of mind doesn't mean less of it. All the stuff you don't buy still exists. Best if it is not produced and other alternatives are abundantly and cheaply available instead. That'll only happen if producers transition. That's possible if it's legislated.


"When the producers name the tune, the consumers have got to dance." - Gil Scott Heron
 
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Well, yes, the change can come from consumers. There are many things that we can choose to do differently that would have massive effects.

We can say "we refuse to buy this s**t" and then producers will have to do something differently.
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
The change cannot come from consumers - too many hurdles. That'll barely make a dent. It has to come from producers. The producers need to get the hurdles out of the way. In other words, new, clean forms of energy production - getting the technology to market and phasing out fossil fuels and plastics expediently so they are not available for everyday consumption en masse (and the plastics in circulation are reduced, re-used and recycled and repurposed, and don't require new production of more.)

"When the producers name the tune, the consumers have got to dance." - Gil Scott Heron
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Unfortunately the producers have named the tune and we are dancing, that's for sure....buying our way into a sea of plastic and gas guzzlers.
Here's a video from Jokey Plastic....showing how plastic "helps the environment".....yeah right, does it make you want to buy it for your product? Sounds appealing and good.....or is it?

Jokey: The Jokey Eco Concept

The Jokey Eco Concept - our guide to plastic packaging with maximum product functionality and minimum ecological footprint. Read more now!
www.jokey.com www.jokey.com
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
The change cannot come from consumers - too many hurdles. That'll barely make a dent. It has to come from producers.
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How can producers help with reducing and reusing? I would argue that it is precisely the consumers who will drive it. Those are behaviour decisions. Sure, they can offer reusable store bags and reduce packaging and that sort of thing, but if consumers show that they want those things by taking action themselves, it will help drive the producers. Buy less prepared, packaged food. Use reusable bags or at least reuse the plastic bags (we do). Don't take a bag if you don't need one (I just refused a plastic bag for my takeaway lunch). Don't use a straw if you don't have to (I never do, don't even take a lid unless I'm taking the drink out). Buy an electric car (more demand will drive more manufacturers to make them and will ultimately help drive the price down as supply increases. Yes, when my Civic comes up for replacement, I'll definitely consider it.) Even better, don't buy a car, look at transit or maybe a car/ride sharing service, which will ultimately mean fewer cars on the road. Even the car manufacturers are starting to get behind them. There are all kinds of ways consumer can help drive the agenda towards reducing and reusing instead of waiting for politicians and industries to do something.
 
Behaviour ... a possessed attribute ... or something dispossessed? Close to denied and eliminated information (intelligence) pith'd away ...

Excuse the lithp ah ...
 
Pontifex Geronimo 13 said:
This group needs to put up or shut up.
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The observation that we will be unwilling to give up any perceived quality of life to save the planet (and therefore ourselves) is spot-on and depressingly true.
For if the Earth fails you as a home,
if it fails to sustain you because of the great abuse you have put upon it,
then God will not save you.​
 
The exhaustion of great energies leads us toward lesser energies that may be so humble we don't understand them ... peaking small things?
 
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