Or, as waterfall asks...maybe he was human and he did display righteous anger, but in the context of the situation it wasn’t “wrong”? It was illegal and he got put to death for it.
Jesus in the temple
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Ritafee
Is Being Human
In the Kingdom of Man TO BE GOVERNED...
"... is to be watched, inspected, spied upon, directed, law-driven, numbered, regulated, enrolled, indoctrinated, preached at, controlled, checked, estimated, valued, censured, commanded, by creatures who have neither the right nor the wisdom nor the virtue to do so. To be GOVERNED is to be at every operation, at every transaction noted, registered, counted, taxed, stamped, measured, numbered, assessed, licensed, authorized, admonished, prevented, forbidden, reformed, corrected, punished. It is, under pretext of public utility, and in the name of the general interest, to be placed under contribution, drilled, fleeced, exploited, monopolized, extorted from, squeezed, hoaxed, robbed; then at the slightest resistance, the first word of complaint, to be repressed, fined, vilified, harrassed, hunted down, abused, clubbed, disarmed, bound, choked, imprisoned, judged, condemned, shot, deported, sacrificed, sold, betrayed, and to crown all, mocked, ridiculed, derided, outraged, dishonored. That is government; that is its justice; that is its morality!"
(Proudhon)
Politics are at the center of the story of Jesus ...
His historical life ended with a political execution.
Crucifixion was used by Rome for those who systematically rejected imperial authority.
The heart of his message was political: it was about the coming of “the kingdom of God.”
That passion led him, in his teaching and actions, to proclaim the kingdom of God.
In his world, “kingdom” language was political...
Jesus’ hearers knew about other kingdoms—the kingdom of Herod and the kingdom of Rome .
The kingdom of God had to be something different from those kingdoms.
The Lord’s Prayer speaks of God’s kingdom coming on earth ...
If Jesus had wanted to avoid the political meaning of kingdom language ...
Jesus could have spoken of the “family” of God, or the “community” of God, or the “people” of God.
He spoke of the kingdom of God.
It would be a world of economic justice in which everybody had the material basics of existence.
And it would be a world of peace and nonviolence.
Jesus’ passion for the kingdom of God created conflict with the authorities ...
His public activity began after the arrest of his mentor, John the Baptizer, by the Rome-appointed ruler of Galilee.
Conflict dominates his story throughout the Gospels and climaxes in the last week of Jesus’ life.
With his challenge to the authorities in Jerusalem and his crucifixion.
Jesus also used political means, most dramatically in two public political demonstrations ...
First, his entry into Jerusalem on a donkey symbolized a kingdom of peace in which the weapons of war would be banished.
Second, he publicly indicted the temple as “a den of robbers”.
Because it had become the center of collaboration with Roman imperial rule and taxation.
Jesus’ passion for the kingdom of God led to his passion in the narrower sense of the word: His arrest, suffering, and death.
Marcus J. Borg, "Jesus and Politics", n.p. [cited 14 Sep 2019]. Online: Jesus and Politics
"... is to be watched, inspected, spied upon, directed, law-driven, numbered, regulated, enrolled, indoctrinated, preached at, controlled, checked, estimated, valued, censured, commanded, by creatures who have neither the right nor the wisdom nor the virtue to do so. To be GOVERNED is to be at every operation, at every transaction noted, registered, counted, taxed, stamped, measured, numbered, assessed, licensed, authorized, admonished, prevented, forbidden, reformed, corrected, punished. It is, under pretext of public utility, and in the name of the general interest, to be placed under contribution, drilled, fleeced, exploited, monopolized, extorted from, squeezed, hoaxed, robbed; then at the slightest resistance, the first word of complaint, to be repressed, fined, vilified, harrassed, hunted down, abused, clubbed, disarmed, bound, choked, imprisoned, judged, condemned, shot, deported, sacrificed, sold, betrayed, and to crown all, mocked, ridiculed, derided, outraged, dishonored. That is government; that is its justice; that is its morality!"
(Proudhon)
Politics are at the center of the story of Jesus ...
His historical life ended with a political execution.
Crucifixion was used by Rome for those who systematically rejected imperial authority.
The heart of his message was political: it was about the coming of “the kingdom of God.”
That passion led him, in his teaching and actions, to proclaim the kingdom of God.
In his world, “kingdom” language was political...
Jesus’ hearers knew about other kingdoms—the kingdom of Herod and the kingdom of Rome .
The kingdom of God had to be something different from those kingdoms.
The Lord’s Prayer speaks of God’s kingdom coming on earth ...
If Jesus had wanted to avoid the political meaning of kingdom language ...
Jesus could have spoken of the “family” of God, or the “community” of God, or the “people” of God.
But Jesus didn’t ...
He spoke of the kingdom of God.
It would be a world of economic justice in which everybody had the material basics of existence.
And it would be a world of peace and nonviolence.
Jesus’ passion for the kingdom of God created conflict with the authorities ...
His public activity began after the arrest of his mentor, John the Baptizer, by the Rome-appointed ruler of Galilee.
Conflict dominates his story throughout the Gospels and climaxes in the last week of Jesus’ life.
With his challenge to the authorities in Jerusalem and his crucifixion.
Jesus also used political means, most dramatically in two public political demonstrations ...
First, his entry into Jerusalem on a donkey symbolized a kingdom of peace in which the weapons of war would be banished.
Second, he publicly indicted the temple as “a den of robbers”.
Because it had become the center of collaboration with Roman imperial rule and taxation.
Jesus’ passion for the kingdom of God led to his passion in the narrower sense of the word: His arrest, suffering, and death.
Of course, Good Friday and Easter have more than a political meaning—but not less.
Marcus J. Borg, "Jesus and Politics", n.p. [cited 14 Sep 2019]. Online: Jesus and Politics
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Ritafee
Is Being Human
But Bernie did not denounce the Kingdom of Man when he had the chance ... he endorsed 'Killary'
Kind of like if in the story of Jesus ... Jesus should have endorsed the resurrection of Herod?
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Bernie is a human being with reason. He endorsed Hillary to stave off Trump, that’s it. Because as bad as she is, Trump is worse. Trump the bumbling, accidental antichrist. He was being adult about it, using some logic, not throwing all caution to the wind. “Better the devil you know...”as the saying goes.
Bernie’s been in office long enough to know quite well how the Clintons operate...you can strategize around that. Trump is a wildcard. Literally. He’s a freaking enigma. He’s erratic, unpredictable - like a difficult toddler - doesn’t respect any agreed upon convention, never seems to have any regrets or think about anyone or anything but himself and filling the black hole inside him with attention. One can feel a bit sorry for him that he’s like that, but he shouldn’t be given matches to play with. It’s leaders like him who become dictators, literally. The Clintons, as corrupt as they may be, are less of an enigma...more predictable humans who got used to too much power. But, I think they are capable of remorse, at the very least, and capable of respecting agreed upon convention enough to take their losses and their lumps. Bernie was wise enough to understand, and accept his loss for the time being. He’s been doing that consistently his whole career but kept on persisting in spite of it. He’s like the turtle and the hare. I hope he wins the race.
Proclaiming his message through words and living the message seemed to be enough to gather followers IMO
Jesus didnt seem to be fond of a Zealots tactics.
If Jesus wss a human that was annointed by God it certainly would remove the need to explain the trinity ad nauseum.
Ritafee
Is Being Human
What is the message?
Mmm. I don’t know. I think I get why. We are called to be guided by the Spirit of what his life represented. In this time and place, the context is obviously different for human beings. Yet, there are always similarities, because we’re human.
Gods kingdom...on earth ss it is in heaven
GeoFee
I am who I am becoming...
Hi,
Here is what the spirit leads me to pronounce in the hearing of persons met along my appointed way:
I am not confused concerning the place of Jesus in my life and in the life of the world. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life inside me; and others of all times and places. Jesus is the light that casts out all darkness. With Paul, I am not going to say that I have already achieved the fulness of God in me; but I am well on the way. I am certain that in the day of decision I will be accepted by the gracious love of God. Not because I have conformed to "correct doctrine" but because I have committed my spirit to the will of God.
Here is what the spirit leads me to pronounce in the hearing of persons met along my appointed way:
"But godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. And having food and raiment let us be therewith content. But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. 1 Timothy 6: 6-10
And yet, overturning the tables and cracking whips sounds kind of like a zealot’s tactic. Some say he sympathized with them, their cause anyway...yet, he, for the most part (not sure about the temple thing..but he certainly paid a hefty price for that), discouraged their tactics.
Ritafee
Is Being Human
This 'story' remains powerful as an example of how we should reserve this type of action for rare occurrences.
If there is extreme injustice staying silent is not an option.
It was so exceptional for Jesus to display this kind of righteous anger that even the people in power had to take notice.
Jesus’ ministry involved relatively little whipping and table-turning.
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GeoFee
I am who I am becoming...
Money is available for our use as stewards of God’s creation. Rightly used it brings benefit. Misused it brings harm and, abused it brings danger. The church is called to pronounce and practice the right use of money, as they are for all available means. Far to often the integrity of the church is compromised by the misuse and abuse of money. This tends to follow in the wake of institutionalized faith; where persons defer personal freedom and responsibility by submitting their wills to the norms and standards of power presented as politics.
The whip is only in Johns gospel....not in the other gospels, in them he only overturns tables and doesnt harm people.
Still Johns gospel is used to advocate for war by some.....starting with st. Augustine.