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[revjohn]

Is this what the world has come to?

Nope. Despite the reality of the meme my dictionary reads differently. Which suggests that the world has not redefined love. As much as it may try it has yet to succeed.

How did it happen?

It hasn't.

What does the future look like?

A lot like the present except it wears a lot of jumpsuits made of sparkly fabrics.

 

[Jaebius]

Nope. Despite the reality of the meme my dictionary reads differently. Which suggests that the world has not redefined love. As much as it may try it has yet to succeed.



It hasn't.



A lot like the present except it wears a lot of jumpsuits made of sparkly fabrics.

Thank you John for your answers
The way people think about love has changed over the decades, even if the dictionary definition remains the same.

 

[revjohn]

Thank you John for your answers
The way people think about love has changed over the decades, even if the dictionary definition remains the same.

Thinking about love is not redefining love.

Redefining love leads to a change in the definitions used to define love. Until the definitions change love remains unchanged, by definition.

Which proves the meme false. It starts with an erroneous proposition.

 

[Luce NDs]

Altruistic love is like ultimate ... at some distance yet until we cut out!

Thus that expression: "be the death 've me!"

 

[Witch]

Is there such a thing as subjective truth Waterfall? It seems to me that truth is truth.

Most truth is subjective. Objective truth is rare.

I often wonder why some people think objective truth is somehow better or more valuable than subjective truth?

 

[Carolla]

(Hello Witch - nice to see you back!)

 

[Luce NDs]

Most truth is subjective. Objective truth is rare.

I often wonder why some people think objective truth is somehow better or more valuable than subjective truth?

Comes from out there? From that whiches beyond norm? Resembles looking at things from the other side ...

 

[GeoFee]

Hi,

I believe that God has set down what is objectively the truth.

God's objective truth is God's objective truth.

The moment truth is rendered objectively idolatry takes root. Truth is best expressed as ethical responsibility motivated by love. Truth beckons us to active critical inquiry specific to our being in the world. What does being in the world mean? Being in the world, what is my responsibility?

George

 

[Pontifex Geronimo 13]

Hi,

The moment truth is rendered objectively idolatry takes root. Truth is best expressed as ethical responsibility motivated by love. Truth beckons us to active critical inquiry specific to our being in the world. What does being in the world mean? Being in the world, what is my responsibility?

George

A load of nonsense, but you will not hear back from Jae for 8 months because he has been booted off the WC2 for not complying with thought police. (As far as I can tell)

 

[BetteTheRed]

PG-13, do you believe that you comply with "thought police"? I can assure you, 100%, that Jae's theology had exactly nothing to do with his suspension.

George can be sort of hard to follow, as can Luce.

In fact, sometimes you and I can be brief to the point of misunderstanding.

But, in general, despite all of our various deficiencies, we do not intend to wound.

 

[Pontifex Geronimo 13]

PG-13, do you believe that you comply with "thought police"? I can assure you, 100%, that Jae's theology had exactly nothing to do with his suspension.

George can be sort of hard to follow, as can Luce.

In fact, sometimes you and I can be brief to the point of misunderstanding.

But, in general, despite all of our various deficiencies, we do not intend to wound.

You cannot judge another’s intent. Unless they flat out state that intent.

We all have faults. We all have voices. Silencing voices is very fascist. If your argument has merit, it should stand above a weaker argument without resorting to stuffing a sock in someone’s mouth and locking them in a closet for 8 months.

 

[BetteTheRed]

Oh my dear PG-13. You have just nominated yourself for Council 2020. I will so nominate.

 

[chansen]

You cannot judge another’s intent. Unless they flat out state that intent.

We all have faults. We all have voices. Silencing voices is very fascist. If your argument has merit, it should stand above a weaker argument without resorting to stuffing a sock in someone’s mouth and locking them in a closet for 8 months.

Jae intends to hurt people. His theology is completely ridiculous, but that just makes it more fun to mock. If it was his theology he was booted for, I'd be going to bat for him myself. But he needs negative attention. That's not healthy for him or us. How do we know? He's been doing the same thing for years. When there is upheaval in his life he will lash out here at one of his common targets, get the negative feedback he craves, run away, reset himself, then come back like nothing ever happened. We just get used.

No other online community I know would put up with Jae as long as this one has. Jae would have been permabanned years ago at any other forum. The pattern is unmistakable, and it is getting worse again. Likely as a result of living in South Korea, separated from even his wife for long stretches. It must be tough on him. My personal take is his theology is getting more literal and rigid again, possibly as a result of whoever his faith leader is now, or maybe just in response to the isolation. It sucks to see him like this.

We have tried with Jae so many times. He isn't interested in help. He likes this. We do not. I don't know what option the mods had.

 

[Mendalla]

If it was his theology he was booted for

More notably, if it was his theology that he was booted for, several other members would be gone but they are not. Theological diversity is something we want on here, else it turns into an echo chamber. We don't boot for beliefs but for behaviour, and chansen has explained that very well.

 

[GeoFee]

Hi,

A load of nonsense

You dismiss my notice of objectified truth as "a load nonsense". I am prepared to explore the idea in the hope of clarity. My start point is located in the gospel of John:

“Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born anew.’ The wind blows where it wills, and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know whence it comes or whither it goes; so it is with every one who is born of the Spirit.”

To take the wind and cast it in a fixed form (graven image) is to negate the wind. This is what happens when we demand conformity to doctrine as necessary to spiritual birth. This is a persistent problem in historical and present religious organizations. They have a clear definition of what is required to be born from above. This generally in the form of biblical texts memorized and recited as confessions of faith. My own experience indicates that this method serves temple economies well by seducing millions to support religious norms and standards, thinking that by this support they will be saved.

If your argument has merit, it should stand above a weaker argument

Dismissal of another's perspective without offering an alternative is the weakest argument of all. Come, let us reason together? Truth is best expressed as ethical responsibility motivated by love. Jesus is the living truth who makes the love of God present to our understanding. To reduce the living presence of Jesus to any fixed doctrinal statement is idolatry.

George

 

[paradox3]

Just a reminder to all that Jae could be lurking and reading these comments.

 

[Pontifex Geronimo 13]

More notably, if it was his theology that he was booted for, several other members would be gone but they are not. Theological diversity is something we want on here, else it turns into an echo chamber. We don't boot for beliefs but for behaviour, and chansen has explained that very well.

Jae has the lowest social points on WC2. He’s the whipping boy.
He tried to go up against the one with the most points who is fawned over all the time. Jae was even threatened.

You have said chansen has explained it very well. That is the super bully of the playground when it comes to Jae. And if Jae had equal social points as chansen, chansen would have been kicked out many times in the past.

 

[Pontifex Geronimo 13]

Hi,

You dismiss my notice of objectified truth as "a load nonsense". I am prepared to explore the idea in the hope of clarity. My start point is located in the gospel of John:

“Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born anew.’ The wind blows where it wills, and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know whence it comes or whither it goes; so it is with every one who is born of the Spirit.”

To take the wind and cast it in a fixed form (graven image) is to negate the wind. This is what happens when we demand conformity to doctrine as necessary to spiritual birth. This is a persistent problem in historical and present religious organizations. They have a clear definition of what is required to be born from above. This generally in the form of biblical texts memorized and recited as confessions of faith. My own experience indicates that this method serves temple economies well by seducing millions to support religious norms and standards, thinking that by this support they will be saved.Dismissal of another's perspective without offering an alternative is the weakest argument of all. Come, let us reason together? Truth is best expressed as ethical responsibility motivated by love. Jesus is the living truth who makes the love of God present to our understanding. To reduce the living presence of Jesus to any fixed doctrinal statement is idolatry.

George

Hi George, shouldn’t your starting point be defending your nonsensical original statements?

The moment truth is rendered objectively idolatry takes root. Truth is best expressed as ethical responsibility motivated by love.

George

Two things to start:
Objective truth is like - “if you put your hand on a red hot stove you will get burned!”

The statement is about the object- the stove. Objective truth is true for everybody.

Subjective truth is like - “Monet painted the most beautiful painting in the world!”

The statement is about the subject - the person who sees the painting.

Subjective truth is about the subject. It may be true for them, but may not be true for others.

Has nothing to do with idolatry.

You should consider looking up idolatry, truth, and love in a dictionary.

 

[Ritafee]

I see love as a choice but yes, it's certainly more than an emotion.

Love inclines the heart toward a wholesome self-discipline, intelligent sharing, and other forms of kindness and outlasts all 'other' emotions.

 

[Pontifex Geronimo 13]

Wow Jae, everybody misses you. Or they like that you can’t answer.

I am really having problems with this updated platform on my phone.