"Without his knowledge?" I'm not so sure. Jesus was divine and so was omniscient. He knew what the woman had been planning to regain her health. He was also conscious that a miraculous power had gone forth from him.
The Gospel of Mark
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"Without his knowledge?" I'm not so sure. Jesus was divine and so was omniscient. He knew what the woman had been planning to regain her health. He was also conscious that a miraculous power had gone forth from him.
Blood brae 'n barrier!
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Does SET off a glow though in the great mystery out there ... omni shine?
Ah, but perhaps he was just testing her faith.
Turning around, as you note, he inquired, "Who touched my clothes?"
And then he waited to see whether the woman would confess.
To the disciples his question probably seemed strange. After all, he was in the crowd's midst.
The woman, however, realized that her act had been discovered and that she was known to Jesus. She came, fell down before him, and told him the truth, her misery's story, and the hopes that she'd entertained since learning of his healing.
What's important to keep in mind is that Jesus is God and that one of God's qualities is omniscience.
"The omniscience of God is the principle that God is all-knowing; that He encompasses all knowledge of the universe past, present, and future. In the beginning, God created the world and everything in it, including knowledge." - source: Omniscience of God
Cut to the quick ... observe fast ... escape now! At least dip in and out as the neurotic ... don;t fall into the psychotic range ... always in the dark, can't see nothing ...
Perhaps omniscience erupts from the dark ... like looking in the hood's I'z ... they could be jousting ... with Don Quies ...
Lady Mara'n in the greens ...
unsafe
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Mark 5:35-43
We see Jairus's daughter is dead -----Jesus doesn't use the word dead here instead he uses sleep ----
unsafe says ------This is what I found and sheds some light on why sleep is used rather and dead -----
Vine's Greek New Testament Dictionary
Note: "This metaphorical use of the word sleep is appropriate, because of the similarity in appearance between a sleeping body and a dead body; restfulness and peace normally characterize both. The object of the metaphor is to suggest that, as the sleeper does not cease to exist while his body sleeps, so the dead person continues to exist despite his absence from the region in which those who remain can communicate with him, and that, as sleep is known to be temporary, so the death of the body will be found to be. ...
unsafe says -----
We see that the messengers who came to bring the news of his daughter's death say there is no need to bother Jesus ---but Jesus pays no attention to what they say and replies ------verse 6 When Jesus overheard what they said, he told the synagogue leader, “Don’t be afraid! Just believe.”
unsafe says -----So here again we are to have Faith -----Faith in what or who ----Faith in Jesus and what He can do ------and Jairus follows willfully and doesn't listen to the people who said there is not need to bother Jesus -----
unsafe says ---Great lesson here folks on who you listen to and who you pay attention to and what action you take -------Jairus could have listened to the people and said to Jesus no --no she is dead that is it ----it's OK I will deal with it ------But he didn't ---he went and trusted Jesus ------Right belief brings right action ---right action brings right results -----Jairus would have had bad results if he had of listened to the people ------
unsafe says ---Jesus didn't want the news spread because This was not his main purpose for coming to earth ---Preaching the Good News was His main purpose and He didn't want to be bombarded with hordes of people requesting He raise the dead to take away from why He was sent ------
God says His word is Truth ---John 17:17 and that His Word will not return Void ---Isaiah 55:11 and that His word is Alive and Active Hebrews 4:12 ----------We are to Believe this by Faith -------we are to put that Faith into right action to see the manifestation of God's Promised in our lives ---which are for all who have received Jesus as their Lord and Saviour ------
We see Jairus's daughter is dead -----Jesus doesn't use the word dead here instead he uses sleep ----
unsafe says ------This is what I found and sheds some light on why sleep is used rather and dead -----
Vine's Greek New Testament Dictionary
Note: "This metaphorical use of the word sleep is appropriate, because of the similarity in appearance between a sleeping body and a dead body; restfulness and peace normally characterize both. The object of the metaphor is to suggest that, as the sleeper does not cease to exist while his body sleeps, so the dead person continues to exist despite his absence from the region in which those who remain can communicate with him, and that, as sleep is known to be temporary, so the death of the body will be found to be. ...
unsafe says -----
We see that the messengers who came to bring the news of his daughter's death say there is no need to bother Jesus ---but Jesus pays no attention to what they say and replies ------verse 6 When Jesus overheard what they said, he told the synagogue leader, “Don’t be afraid! Just believe.”
unsafe says -----So here again we are to have Faith -----Faith in what or who ----Faith in Jesus and what He can do ------and Jairus follows willfully and doesn't listen to the people who said there is not need to bother Jesus -----
unsafe says ---Great lesson here folks on who you listen to and who you pay attention to and what action you take -------Jairus could have listened to the people and said to Jesus no --no she is dead that is it ----it's OK I will deal with it ------But he didn't ---he went and trusted Jesus ------Right belief brings right action ---right action brings right results -----Jairus would have had bad results if he had of listened to the people ------
unsafe says ---Jesus didn't want the news spread because This was not his main purpose for coming to earth ---Preaching the Good News was His main purpose and He didn't want to be bombarded with hordes of people requesting He raise the dead to take away from why He was sent ------
God says His word is Truth ---John 17:17 and that His Word will not return Void ---Isaiah 55:11 and that His word is Alive and Active Hebrews 4:12 ----------We are to Believe this by Faith -------we are to put that Faith into right action to see the manifestation of God's Promised in our lives ---which are for all who have received Jesus as their Lord and Saviour ------
GordW
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For some, even many, but not all, people the Omniscience of God is a reality and of key importance. For some of us not so much.
At various points I find that the Jesus portrayed by Mark is much more human than in other Gospels -particularly John- and so he appears less divine and so may not show signs of omniscience.
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He certainly seems very irritated/aggravated by the disciples in this telling. Wonder why the early church wanted the first disciples portrayed as idiots?
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Where are you seeing the disciples portrayed as idiots, Bette?
Yes, they are puzzled when Jesus asks, "Who touched me?"
I don't see Jesus being irritated or aggravated . . . He looks around and then the woman comes forward.
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4:13 Do you not understand this parable?
4:40 Have you still no faith?
I always think of Mark as the gospel where the disciples can't get it right...and there's been a bit of it already.
4:40 Have you still no faith?
I always think of Mark as the gospel where the disciples can't get it right...and there's been a bit of it already.
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Hi,
Picked up on a couple of thoughts above.
I take it that Jesus radiates spiritual energy. He brings light into the dark. The woman makes contact with Jesus' spiritual energy and Jesus notices the contact. The disciples simply do not get what is happening in front of their eyes. Jesus connects with the healed woman. He makes clear that her healing comes from her faith. He tells her: "You are now well because of your faith. May God give you peace! You are healed, and you will no longer be in pain."
Something wonderful is happening. I do not think it is in any way supernatural. Either that or Jesus was not human as we are human.
George
Picked up on a couple of thoughts above.
You have my full agreement. Without right action, belief is empty.
Are you suggesting that Jesus was not human like us? How then could he bear our infirmities? Was his suffering on the cross pretence?
I take it that Jesus radiates spiritual energy. He brings light into the dark. The woman makes contact with Jesus' spiritual energy and Jesus notices the contact. The disciples simply do not get what is happening in front of their eyes. Jesus connects with the healed woman. He makes clear that her healing comes from her faith. He tells her: "You are now well because of your faith. May God give you peace! You are healed, and you will no longer be in pain."
Something wonderful is happening. I do not think it is in any way supernatural. Either that or Jesus was not human as we are human.
George
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No, me neither, but I'm suggesting we might see it again...
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You are responding to my post which I deleted already
But yes, there was more of the disciples "not getting it" in Mark 4 than Mark 5. I agree that we will return to this theme.
Jesus was 100% fully human - and Jesus was 100% fully God. He had (and has) a dual nature.
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Summary Mark 6: 1-56
1. Jesus returns to his hometown with his disciples. Jesus teaches in the synagogue on the sabbath and many are astounded by his wisdom and power. Yet they take offense and Jesus can do no deed of power there. However, he lays hands on a few sick people and cures them.
2. The disciples are sent out two by two and they are given authority over unclean spirits. Jesus orders them to take nothing for their journey and to find a place to stay at until they leave each area. If they are not welcome anywhere they are to shake the dust off their feet and move on. The disciples go out proclaiming that all should repent. They cast our demons and cure the sick.
3. John the Baptist is beheaded in prison.
4. Five thousand are fed from five loaves and two fishes.
5. Jesus says farewell to the disciples and goes up the mountain to pray. The disciples take the boat to cross the sea but meet with an adverse wind. Jesus walks out on the water, intending to pass them by, but they see him and think he is a ghost. They are terrified but Jesus gets into the boat with them and the wind ceases. The disciples are astounded. They do not understand about the loaves and their hearts are hardened.
6. Jesus is immediately recognized when the the boat is landed. The sick are brought to him on mats. Wherever he goes (villages, cities, farms) the sick are brought forward and they beg to touch even the fringe of his coat.
1. Jesus returns to his hometown with his disciples. Jesus teaches in the synagogue on the sabbath and many are astounded by his wisdom and power. Yet they take offense and Jesus can do no deed of power there. However, he lays hands on a few sick people and cures them.
2. The disciples are sent out two by two and they are given authority over unclean spirits. Jesus orders them to take nothing for their journey and to find a place to stay at until they leave each area. If they are not welcome anywhere they are to shake the dust off their feet and move on. The disciples go out proclaiming that all should repent. They cast our demons and cure the sick.
3. John the Baptist is beheaded in prison.
4. Five thousand are fed from five loaves and two fishes.
5. Jesus says farewell to the disciples and goes up the mountain to pray. The disciples take the boat to cross the sea but meet with an adverse wind. Jesus walks out on the water, intending to pass them by, but they see him and think he is a ghost. They are terrified but Jesus gets into the boat with them and the wind ceases. The disciples are astounded. They do not understand about the loaves and their hearts are hardened.
6. Jesus is immediately recognized when the the boat is landed. The sick are brought to him on mats. Wherever he goes (villages, cities, farms) the sick are brought forward and they beg to touch even the fringe of his coat.